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BRRRR why 1 year?
I'm new, have yet to do a deal, been studying the BRRRR strategy and have a newbie question: Why must I wait 1 year to refinance? Once the house is rehab'd, why can't I refinance right away? Does it make a difference if the original finance is hard money vs private lender vs my own cash?
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You can make all the offers you want, but if you are relying on the (arv x .7) formula, I fear it will be a waste of time. Here is my example:
I bought a house in Norwalk Ct for $236k
I put in about $75k in rehab
The house appraised for $350k
If I used the arv x.7 formula:
(350,000 x .7) - 75,000 = purchase offer
245,0000 - 75000 = $170,000 ( Optimal purchase price}
Let me make this very clear. If I bid even 230k for this property, I would not have gotten it. Bidding 170k would be a total waste of time.
Maybe this formula worked 5 years ago but in todays market it is unachievable.