Real Estate Consultant · Madison, NJ · Member since 2016 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
I flipped my first house on my own in my early twenties. As a teenager, I managed properties that I owned a percentage of. I paid (twice) to regrade the slope of a commercial property that abutted wetlands. I learned something from these deals, but I am starting to think the path could look different for some investors getting started.
Too many new investors try to be too hands-on when they don't have the time. So, they outsource their time to property managers, contractors, and advisors. They pay other people to manage their assets but don't know how to manage the manager. They don't know when things are wrong, and they don't know when they are getting skimmed or scammed. They are too busy.
I didn't invest in syndications until I was 52. Now, I am invested in three of them. For new prospective investors who have more money than time, I think this might be a better first investment than trying to be an out-of-state landlord.
You do all of your vetting upfront—of the operator, the asset, the loan, and the area. After that, you can't manage the manager. You are a limited partner. You just follow along. You trust that you made the right decision. But once this thing is running, it's passive.
It's not for everyone. You need to have substantial capital and time for due diligence upfront. There are some fake syndicators out there. But it is for more people than most think.
Flipping isn't passive. Landlording isn't passive. Sober living facilities aren't passive. Short-term rentals aren't passive. Syndications are, if you are a limited partner.
Like you I think I made my first investment in a true syndication when I was in my early 60s.
the sponsor is what matters.. asset OK but if the sponsor is not top notch I dont care how good the project is.. I can make money or more money than most sponsors on my own deals of course those are not passive.. Plus I need something to do everyday :) so doing deals is my thing. Love it.
big issue for me is you lose all control when you go into a syndication.. And as we have seen here on BP is they turn turtle the investors are really in a bad place.
Like you I think I made my first investment in a true syndication when I was in my early 60s.
the sponsor is what matters.. asset OK but if the sponsor is not top notch I dont care how good the project is.. I can make money or more money than most sponsors on my own deals of course those are not passive.. Plus I need something to do everyday :) so doing deals is my thing. Love it.
big issue for me is you lose all control when you go into a syndication.. And as we have seen here on BP is they turn turtle the investors are really in a bad place.
Like you I think I made my first investment in a true syndication when I was in my early 60s.
the sponsor is what matters.. asset OK but if the sponsor is not top notch I dont care how good the project is.. I can make money or more money than most sponsors on my own deals of course those are not passive.. Plus I need something to do everyday :) so doing deals is my thing. Love it.
big issue for me is you lose all control when you go into a syndication.. And as we have seen here on BP is they turn turtle the investors are really in a bad place.
Great points. I think if you can't do good due diligence, you will lose and shouldn't try it. And I also agree, it's sponsor first, everything else second. I want to know how much skin they have in the game, the loan, and their track record. Then I will deep dive the asset.
I agree that you lose control also, but new investors doing a flip and trusting a contractor they met on Angie's List is way more a loss of control I think.
Like you I think I made my first investment in a true syndication when I was in my early 60s.
the sponsor is what matters.. asset OK but if the sponsor is not top notch I dont care how good the project is.. I can make money or more money than most sponsors on my own deals of course those are not passive.. Plus I need something to do everyday :) so doing deals is my thing. Love it.
big issue for me is you lose all control when you go into a syndication.. And as we have seen here on BP is they turn turtle the investors are really in a bad place.
Great points. I think if you can't do good due diligence, you will lose and shouldn't try it. And I also agree, it's sponsor first, everything else second. I want to know how much skin they have in the game, the loan, and their track record. Then I will deep dive the asset.
I agree that you lose control also, but new investors doing a flip and trusting a contractor they met on Angie's List is way more a loss of control I think.
yes when the remote BRRR book came out on BP I just cringed I said that guy is going to cost a lot of investors a lot of money.. :) I think folks that followed that advice have lost significant amounts of capital.. of course not all .. but if your one of the beginners who drank that cool aid and got fubared can set you back years.
A remote BRRR… wow. I always tell people it's hard enough managing a project you are onsite everyday nevermind one that you or no one else is onsite.
Unfortunately people in real estate like politics have a bias and convince themselves of something. They can watch Hgtv or watch some YouTube or go to some seminar and be easily convinced something is easy and can be done (like remote brrr).
My feeling for how people should start out varies by the person. If someone is not ok with conflict, being pushy and standing up for themselves then owning real estate typically is not for them as you will be dealing with bad people often and cannot be a pushover.
What they should do versus someone who has some knowledge and pushback is very different.