Do any investors do background checks on general partners?

Do any investors do background checks on general partners?

Rental Property Investor · Chapel Hill, NC · Member since 2019 · 42 posts · 23 votes

Hi All,

I have been looking into investing in a apartment syndication. Do any investors run background checks on the general partners? If so who do you use?

Thanks.

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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Originally posted by @Sam Bates:

Lee,

I'm a general partner and recommend you do background checks on any GP you plan to invest with. If you have a personal relationship with the GP and know them well you may want to reconsider, but an average Joe from the street it's imperative.

I would also ask pointed questions regarding their financial and business history and see how they react to the questions. You are entrusting that person to steward your capital the best as they can and if they have questionable character or have limited to zero experience with large sums of capital or capital projects I would run.

Here is a list of 3 background check companies that are recommended for 2020.
https://www.business.com/categories/background-check-companies/

I find it somewhat amazing that investors will put a blue collar work force tenant through the wringer IE back ground credit etc etc all over can they pay 750 dollars of rent.. but investors will do no back ground on someone they hand 100k or more to  :)  

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  • Rental Property Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2011 · 62 posts · 77 votes
    6y

    Lee,

    I'm a general partner and recommend you do background checks on any GP you plan to invest with. If you have a personal relationship with the GP and know them well you may want to reconsider, but an average Joe from the street it's imperative.

    I would also ask pointed questions regarding their financial and business history and see how they react to the questions. You are entrusting that person to steward your capital the best as they can and if they have questionable character or have limited to zero experience with large sums of capital or capital projects I would run.

    Here is a list of 3 background check companies that are recommended for 2020.
    https://www.business.com/categories/background-check-companies/

  • Rental Property Investor · Chapel Hill, NC · Member since 2019 · 42 posts · 23 votes
    6y

    @Sam Bates thanks Sam!

  • Ronan DonnellyPro Member
    Investor · New York City, NY · Member since 2012 · 332 posts · 385 votes
    6y

    @Lee Nestlerode, definitely run a background check as there is a high degree of variability in the quality of sponsors out there. Even the Sponsor's response to your request can be highly informative. Good luck!

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Sam Bates:

    Lee,

    I'm a general partner and recommend you do background checks on any GP you plan to invest with. If you have a personal relationship with the GP and know them well you may want to reconsider, but an average Joe from the street it's imperative.

    I would also ask pointed questions regarding their financial and business history and see how they react to the questions. You are entrusting that person to steward your capital the best as they can and if they have questionable character or have limited to zero experience with large sums of capital or capital projects I would run.

    Here is a list of 3 background check companies that are recommended for 2020.
    https://www.business.com/categories/background-check-companies/

    I find it somewhat amazing that investors will put a blue collar work force tenant through the wringer IE back ground credit etc etc all over can they pay 750 dollars of rent.. but investors will do no back ground on someone they hand 100k or more to  :)  

  • Rental Property Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2011 · 62 posts · 77 votes
    6y

    @Jay Hinrichs Completely agree! The success some people have had in this cycle blinds their judgement or someone who's never invested in real estate doesn't know to run a background check or what questions they should ask a sponsor. 

  • Specialist · Plano, TX · Member since 2020 · 2k+ posts · 861 votes
    6y

    @Lee Nestlerode as most others have already advised, definitely run a background check on general partners for syndication deals. It is too much of a liability if you choose not to. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Fort Wayne, IN · Member since 2016 · 258 posts · 177 votes
    6y

    @Lee Nestlerode I Have invested in 10 deals passively so far with 5 different syndicators but have not performed a background check on any one so far. I have asked this question to every syndicator and from the answer I figured out that I do not need to do background check.

  • Rental Property Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2016 · 253 posts · 178 votes
    6y

    I would advise to perform a background check on every sponsor/operator. You must look out for yourself in business, and you can't depend on no-one else to do so. That's just how the business is. Partnerships are like marriage. Easy to get into, hard to get out of. Don't get stuck with the wrong partner. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Chapel Hill, NC · Member since 2019 · 42 posts · 23 votes
    6y

    @Kay Kay Singh

    Thanks! What is the question you ask?

  • Rental Property Investor · Chapel Hill, NC · Member since 2019 · 42 posts · 23 votes
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    @Yannik Cudjoe-Virgil

    Thanks. Any service you like to do the background checks? Many of the sites i have looked at, just appear to be affiliate links to various back ground check sites which does give me a high degree of confidence in the recommendations.

  • Developer · Hamptons / Montauk, NY · Member since 2014 · 58 posts · 20 votes
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  • Developer · Hamptons / Montauk, NY · Member since 2014 · 58 posts · 20 votes
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    @Kay Kay Singh Glad that worked out for you, but IMO that's playing with fire.  Scammers are very smart too and they certainly know the basic trust principal that if someone agrees to a background check they must have nothing to hide. In fact that's the fundamental basis of con man's strategies, hence the term "confidence man/con man".  With the low price of background checks these days - not much more than your wire fee and certainly less than your attorney fee, I'd say it's not worth saving the $25-175 or the 15 minutes.  Unless you know someone personally or have come to through past deals.  Which I personally try to focus on.  But to each their own.  Wishing continued success on your investments.

  • Developer · Hamptons / Montauk, NY · Member since 2014 · 58 posts · 20 votes
    6y

    @Lee Nestlerode 1000% with @Ronan Donnelly and others. Actually, sometimes not only the GP but any other major players. Some of the background check companies will give you package deals, in which case you might want to even check the broker, the property manager, etc. Best money you'll ever spend. Just be sure to use a high quality company and pick a thorough package. @Sam Bates provided a list, and there are plenty of other reliable reviews to help you choose.

  • Rental Property Investor · Chapel Hill, NC · Member since 2019 · 42 posts · 23 votes
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    @Dan LaFontaine

    Thanks Dan, yes checking out the companies Sam listed.

  • Real Estate Investor · Saint Paul, MN · Member since 2017 · 543 posts · 474 votes
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    @Lee Nestlerode Absolutely! I neglected to do that on one I invested in and it really went south on me. Not because the GP was dishonest, just not as experienced as he should have been. Cost me most of

    my investment .

  • Rental Property Investor · Chapel Hill, NC · Member since 2019 · 42 posts · 23 votes
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    @Mark S.

    Thanks Mark. Who did you end up using for background checks? Have some concerns about the completeness of the online $75 check, but maybe I am being paranoid.

    I spoke with a company and they wanted $2,500 per partner, which is not going to happen.

  • Saint Paul, MN · Member since 2017 · 3 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    The next one I invested in I talked with the accounting firm they use for annual auditing, the bankers they use for financing, as well as a n umber of past investors.

  • Saint Paul, MN · Member since 2017 · 3 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    The next one I invested in I talked with the accounting firm they use for annual auditing, the bankers they use for financing, as well as a      

    number of past investors.

  • Rental Property Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2015 · 503 posts · 504 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Mark S.:

    @Lee Nestlerode Absolutely! I neglected to do that on one I invested in and it really went south on me. Not because the GP was dishonest, just not as experienced as he should have been. Cost me most of

    my investment .

    But would a background check have revealed anything about their experience? 

  • Real Estate Investor · Saint Paul, MN · Member since 2017 · 543 posts · 474 votes
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    @Paul B. I relied on the very thorough underwriting done by the lending institutions. Better that what I could do myself

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