Where do motivated buyers come from?

Where do motivated buyers come from?

Investor · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes

Hello BP!

Everyone knows a term "motivated seller" and a certain images may pop up in one's mind when that term is heard. But about buyers? It looks like there are plenty of those came around in the last few years and they are pushing prices higher and higher.

So, what does a "motivated buyer" look like and what motivates them to go on a bidding war, pay the highest price, grossly overpay, and potentially lose money when the market turns?

To add a bit of clarity, I am referring to non-institutional buyers of 50+ units apartment complexes.

Thank you
Nick

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Developer · Houston, TX · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
9y

I've ran into 1031 money a few times too. Better to overpay by a $200-300k than owe taxes on $2M in capital gains.

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  • Developer · Houston, TX · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    I think what you see as motivated could be just different requirements. You might be looking for 10%+ COC and 18-20% IRR, double your money in 5-years, etc. Why is that? Any particular reason? Probably because it's kind of been the standard in a way and some of the investors have that expectation. But what if these 'motivated buyers' are actually sponsors with investors who don't have such lofty expectations. High single digit COC might be okay for their passives. Average of 15% yearly return might sound wonderful compared to their index fund.

    Additionally you have international investors who are probably just happy to get their money out of their country into a safe haven of sorts. If you're okay with 8% returns, buying at a 6% cap is not a big deal.

  • Investor · Columbus, GA · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    I think motivated buyers are also referred to as newbies, uninformed buyers, and idiots. These are the guys who went to a seminar last weekend and are all pumped up to pull the trigger on something. They over pay, and when the bubble pops again, they will become motivated sellers.  And this time, I will be ready for them.

  • Investor · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    I know of a few deals that I passed on and someone bought with a lot riskier projections than mine. Their projected returns were similar to mine (double investors' money in 5 years) but to get there they assumed higher rent increase, lower economic vacancy, lower expenses, and a lower cap rate on exit.

    Personally, I am okay with 8% COC but even that number is virtually impossible with today's prices. I recently underwrote a property in Denton, TX. My conservative offer would be at $3.2M and my aggressive price went up to $4M. But seller wants at least $5M! At this price I am making 2-4% COC but losing 20%+ on sale. The whole project a loses 10% unless I hold it for at least 6 years just to break even. How many investors would sign up for that?

    Even if I go super aggressive (6% EV, 6% exit cap rate on a C-class building, above the market rent increase), my COC still stays below 5% and my capital gains are only 30% over 5 years hold. BTW, this plan requires a perfect alignment of stars and market conditions. If something goes wrong the project loses money.

    That's why I keep wondering about the motivations of those who would pay a higher price thus increasing their risk.

  • Investor · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Anthony Dooley:

    I think motivated buyers are also referred to as newbies, uninformed buyers, and idiots. These are the guys who went to a seminar last weekend and are all pumped up to pull the trigger on something. They over pay, and when the bubble pops again, they will become motivated sellers.  And this time, I will be ready for them.

    I like your line of thinking and I am waiting for the bubble to pop too :-) 

    On the other hand, I've been proven wrong quite a few times when a buyer who overpaid initially was able to sell (or is selling) at a much higher price due primarily to the cap rate compression and more than projected rent increase (e.g., they planned for $50 but got $150 due to the market conditions)

  • Investor · Columbus, GA · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    Good for them, but when the music stops playing, they better take a seat or they are out of the game.

  • Developer · Houston, TX · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    I've ran into 1031 money a few times too. Better to overpay by a $200-300k than owe taxes on $2M in capital gains.

  • Investor · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    1031 is definitely a factor but to what extent would they overpay? $200-300K on $10M is not much but $1M on $4M makes no sense. 

    BTW, just got an updated OM on the property I mentioned earlier. Property taxes are calculated on  ~60% of the asking price and expected to grow by 3% a year while in reality they grow by 30% if not more.

  • Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    9y

    Forget about 50+ unit apartments for awhile, this is exactly why I love SFRs ... lots of motivated sellers as well as a bunch of motivated buyers all over the place at any given time ... buy from motivated sellers, and sell or rent to motivated buyers makes for a nice spread. My impression of a motivated SFR buyer: "Honey, look at that kitchen. The bathroom tiles are beautiful. I just love the color of the walls. We can move right in before the baby comes and not have to do anything. I have to have it!" :) Sorry if that is off topic a bit, but my point is that you just don't get that with a 50+ unit apartment complex...

  • Investor · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    @David Faulkner, I can imagine what a motivated SFR buyer is and how he/she feels because most of them are not investors :-) I like apartments better though...

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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    9y

    They come from The Phantom Zone

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    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Nick B.:

    Hello BP!

    So, what does a "motivated buyer" look like and what motivates them to go on a bidding war, pay the highest price, grossly overpay, and potentially lose money when the market turns?

    To add a bit of clarity, I am referring to non-institutional buyers of 50+ units apartment complexes.

    Many people simply don't know the hidden costs in all types of real estate. People grossly underestimate the real expenses of buy and hold. TV flipping shows often ignore holding costs. Many buyers of larger properties like commercial and both mid and large multi family don't understand the risks they are taking. 

    Everything goes through cycles; interest rates, affordability, rents, supply of housing, cap rates, rental vs home ownership etc.  A factor often talked about is Millennials, unlike earlier generations, don't want to buy they want to rent. 

    All of these factor have swung in the direction to drive up multi family prices. Underwriting purchases may make sense at today's low interest rates. But what happens when some of those balls that have all swung in one direction, start to drop and swing the other way? This is a risk many don't understand.

    Real estate has been on an upswing for a awhile now. Multi family, for a number of factors, didn't take much of a hit during the crash and people see the money being made and have regained their confidence in real estate. 

    Money being made. I want in = Motivation.

  • Investor · Birmingham, AL · Member since 2016 · 446 posts · 305 votes
    9y

    [Turns on hood mode]

    Know any drug dealers looking to go legit? There is your motivated buyer right there with cash on hand.

    [Turns off hood mode]

  • San Francisco, CA · Member since 2017 · 41 posts · 20 votes
    9y

    In this case I don't think you can discount the institutional investors. I think it's both the market as a whole and the REITs pushing up the prices and smaller investors forced to pay their game because there's so few large complexes like that left after the institutional investors gobble them up.

  • Professional · Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2017 · 624 posts · 147 votes
    9y

    @Nick B. 

    So if a motivated seller is someone with a strong reason to not just sell but sell quickly, a motivated buyer is someone with an equally strong reason to buy and buy quickly. In both instances, there is either an internal (personal, family etc.) or external (nonpersonal, economic etc.) factor influencing the decision.

    A seller with a balloon or adjustable rate mortgage will have a mighty good reason to sell and avoid foreclosure if they can't refinance to avoid paying off entire loan balance or get a lower affordable rate. If it took external income from somewhere to fund critical expenses associated with a property and that income vanishes and isn't readily replaced, someone will have a strong motivation to sell when reserves get drained. If there is credible intel that market prices are about to erode badly or market rental income, someone may have some motivation to sell based on what their holding period and strategy is.

    A buyer can experience strong motivation to buy for similar personal or economic reasons... say the buyer sells a property and really don't want to pay capital gains tax, they decide to reinvest entire funds in a similar capital asset but there are some time constraint issues associated with a 1031 exchange. So the buyer will have some level of motivation to buy and with some sense of urgency. On the economic side of things, lending rates may be dramatically low or about to rise significantly and the buyer may then have a strong motivation to buy quickly. Sometimes a buyer may learn of a 'one-of-a-kind' financing product that may vanish any time soon and have a strong motivation to buy due to the product availability or purchase feasibility it creates.

    Motivation (either on the sell or buy side) can be personal or driven by any array of external factors.

  • Investor · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    I can see how a seller can be motivated but so far the only reason the buyer would overpay is 1031. Low rates don't seem like a strong reason to buy anything at any price. So what if the rate is low but the property barely cash flows because of high price?

  • Professional · Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2017 · 624 posts · 147 votes
    9y

    @Nick B. 

    If you are in certain nooks of California or in markets around the country were average home value is almost 7 or 8 times national average (if not more), you would be amazed what you yourself would do at certain rates. 

    Rates move markets. If rates are unusually low enough, an unusually high amount of buyers would typically enter the market, which can drive prices up. If you are buying at the prevailing price in such an environment, you are likely buying at some level of inflated prices. 

    A strong motivation to buy doesn't always mean buyer will always buy a property in excess of actual market value. They can just divert the intensity and motivation to buy to an underpriced or fairly priced property -- if there is actually inventory.

    But if you are in a market with few or scarce inventory, and rates are unusually low, and you have to buy, some will overpay. 

    In San Francisco, sellers frequently get offers from buyers in excess of listed price purely due to the economics of the market there.. demand often is in excess of supply. If at one rate your mortgage is 3 times in excess of the average rent and at another rate, your mortgage equals (barely) market rent, you want to guess at what rate buyers will jump furiously into the market?

    If a property barely cash flows at a low rate, whether you buy or not depends on your actual investment goals and objectives. Different markets experience yearly price growth that vary drastically; this may soften the impact of negative cash flow in markets were average values are extremely pricey compared to the national average. 

    Some investors though, pricey or not, won't buy a rental if it doesn't cash flow and especially if property values move at a snail's pace on a per year basis.

  • Investor · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    Thank you for your explanations @Account Closed. They make some sense for places like SF but even there prices cannot go up forever. That's what bothers me. At some point, some buyer will pay the highest price and that buyer is doomed once the market turns south. Cash flow would've helped them to ride it down and soften the blow but without cashflow they may find themselves with negative equity and foreclosure. That's what happened with many people in 2008-2009.


  • Professional · Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2017 · 624 posts · 147 votes
    9y

    @Nick B. If market conditions in San Francisco persist for the next 30 years, price trend (ceteris parisbus) would continue in the general direction it has been the last few decades. 

    What isn't known with specificity, is what shifts will occur with its population, local and regional economy, housing stock, demand for housing etc. in the future other than analyzing historical trends. 

    The market is always moving, up, down or sideways and unfortunately, some investors will often buy just before a downturn.

  • Rental Property Investor · Friendswood, TX · Member since 2010 · 663 posts · 508 votes
    9y

    Some great insight already, i would just say loose credit standards, surplus capital, and low interest rates can all help fuel the buy side of the transaction.  Money is chasing yield and this can fuel asset prices when you look at all the investment vehicles that are out there. Also, some buyers may have a more competitive advantage than other buyers or can integrate an acquisition to enhance their economies of scale which can also create a strongly motivated buyer ( who can potentially pay more than anyone else ) . 

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