Property Analysis & Scaling

Property Analysis & Scaling

Rockville, MD · Member since 2017 · 2 posts · 0 votes

Hello everyone,

My business partner and I spent 10 years building an internet marketing firm that now, *knock on wood*, runs a bit like a well-oiled machine. We have roughly $5,000,000 in cash to show for it and decided to start investing some of that money in real estate. I already had a few properties that I bought for myself and family, but like an idiot, I paid for in cash. Now I understand the power of real estate and leverage and I want to ask experienced investors such as yourself for some advice.

After doing some basic research, we figured out that multi-family properties were the way to go. We just closed on a property ($322,000 with closing costs covered). The rent roll is $60,000/yr. Taxes, property management fees, insurance, heating (this old building uses oil heating), 10% of rent per year to maintenance, snow removal, pest control, etc add up to ~$29,000/yr. After accounting for 5% vacancy (our property management company is currently at 3%), and our $1650/month mortgage (20yrs, 4.65% APR), we are left with ~$8,000/yr in cash flows and an additional ~$10,000/yr in amortization that we can pull out whenever we refinance. So on a $64,000 investment, we are, with a conservative estimate, returning $18,000/yr, or 28%.

I've scheduled a sit down with every successful real estate investor I know, but I think BP is where I may find the best feedback of all. A lot of you have gone through this process and can hopefully answer some of these questions:

1) 28%/year sounds ridiculous. Am I missing something?

2) If 28% year is reasonable, why aren't huge hedge funds doing this? I recognize REITs exist, but if markets are truly efficient, why is there a 28% return left out there? This property wasn't a steal, it was priced in line with the area.

3) We want to scale and start doing this with our entire $5,000,000 portfolio, rather than $64,000. What are some of the scaling issues we may run into?

4) Will obtaining mortgages at similar rates (20% down, 4.65% APR in the current climate) be more of a challenge as our notional real estate portfolio climbs above $5,000,000?

5) Are there any tips you can recommend? Two we figured out ourselves: 1) Paying $10,000 more for the house in exchange for $10,000 in closing costs was a no-brainer. We can loan the $10,000 on the house; we can't for closing costs. 2) Refinancing after we improve NOIs may allow us to pull out a large chunk of our down-payment very quickly. This will effectively allow us to "loan even our down-payment" at current APRs of 5%, which we can then use to buy similar properties with greater returns.

I know this is a lot. If you can confidently answer any of these questions, I'd be very grateful. If you need some free guidance on internet advertising, feel free to PM me as well ;)

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  • Real Estate Consultant · Brookfield, WI · Member since 2014 · 873 posts · 350 votes
    9y

    @Marat Nigmatzyanov 28% is very high for an apartment building in a good or fair area. Hedge funds and REITs buy class A buildings in large metropolitan areas with small cap rates (all things bring equal). 

    To your fourth point, mortgage rates will be headed up from I'm seeing and talking to bankers. I would go more conservative maybe put more money down. If you have a good portfolio you will always be able to find cheap money with good terms. 

    This is my two cents. 

  • Rockville, MD · Member since 2017 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    9y

    @Michael Henry Thank you for your response. I wouldn't really call the area good or even fair. One bedroom apartments sell for $40,000 here and rent out for $600. There hasn't been much appreciation past the inflation rate here in a long time. However, there hasn't been much depreciation either.

    I 100% agree with you that mortgage rates will likely go up in the near future. My question is more along the lines of, if we compare things apples to apples, will I be paying a premium once my portfolio is larger? So as an example, let's say it's 2022 and my financial position is the same. In Scenario A, I've acquired no additional properties and I try to buy a $1,000,000 property. I still have $5,000,000 in liquid cash sitting in a brokerage account somewhere. Bank asks me, completely roughly, for 20% down and 5.5% on a 20 year loan. Now in Scenario B, I've acquired $15,000,000 worth of properties and laid out $3,000,000 in down payments. I still have some cash left over, but clearly I'm exposed to the real estate market. Am I still able to get similar terms as in Scenario A, or am I paying a premium? Does it largely depend on how well my current properties are performing?

    Thanks for your help.

  • Real Estate Consultant · Brookfield, WI · Member since 2014 · 873 posts · 350 votes
    9y

     @Marat Nigmatzyanov

    Make sure you pay a lot of many for the best property management company in town. One bedroom apartments have very high turnover and prone to instability.

    Here is what I understand, banks look at what they call your global finance picture and they are lending based on that picture. If the bank thinks you are exposed to the market then they will not lend to you period; unless you have a personal net worth to back it up.

    Many banks have loans limits for any one person or company, so if you are trying to have a large $20 Million portfolio you will probably be dealing with multiple banks.

    There are lenders who borrow based on the asset, usually, larger loan amounts like $1m or higher, with good terms but with high prepayment penalties.

    So, to make sure I answered your question. If your properties are performing well, you will be able to go to a traditional bank and get a loan at the current market rate. If your properties are not doing so well at the time you go to a traditional bank to get a loan, you will probably get turned down. There will be alternative lenders out there who will lend you money based on the asset but many of them will be a more expensive.


    Please feel free to contact me, I want to make sure you stay out of trouble. 

    In full disclosure, I never have done a loan this size personally only has dealt with banks for clients and know many friends who own very large portfolio who deal with banks on a regular basis. 

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