Buying and converting an old commercial bank -- need some help!

Buying and converting an old commercial bank -- need some help!

Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 22 posts · 9 votes

Greetings BP friends,

So, my business partner and I live in Los Angeles and we are in the entertainment business. We've decided to create a new business entity to combine our companies and scale up our services. We produce TV shows and work with some high profile NFL athletes, and found a commercial building that could really make us stand out, especially when meeting with clients.

We found an old mid century modern bank in an area of LA near the new NFL stadium (which opens in 2 yrs) and the place has been meticulously taken care of and it's on a very desirable corner lot. It has enough square footage in the offices upstairs to house our production business, and the down stairs lobby and bank vault is perfect for a retail business (we've had two offers from coffee roasters to lease the spot already), so we are confident that we could generate income that way.

The building also comes with a very tall monument sign, which could be rehabbed into a digital billboard and generate passive income as it is visible for a mile in both. directions (it's the tallest sign on the street). From my research, this could produce a fairly good income.

We love this place and are pursuing an SBA loan as a way to leverage into the property at 10% down, and we have the cash to make that happen. There is very little construction cost (some demo) which we will handle with our own contractor, so the space is fairly turn key. It also has a long term tenant in the building who is willing to stay and keep paying rent as we transition over and plan our new space (about 6 months).

So here is my question -- we are not commercial real estate investors, but we believe this could be a great deal for our company and for a real estate investment. The location is excellent. And the city has reviewed our business plan and they are so excited by it that they are connecting us with funding through their economic development department (which uses SBA 7a loans). They have money earmarked for bringing small business to the area.

However, there is another non-profit that is also very excited by our plan, and they have offered to finance this through a combination of SBA 504 loans (40%) and a conventional loan for the remaining 50%. We would still put 10% down. The SBA 504 is about 4.76% interest rate, but the conventional portion may be higher and may come with some type of balloon payment. The 7a loan through the city could land anywhere from 7.5% - 11% but that would be locked and amortized over 20 years.

Does anyone out there have any experience with a property or situation like this? We are doing our best at crunching the numbers on our own, but we have never purchased a commercial property before and could use some third party assistance to make sure we aren't missing anything (we are even willing to pay a consulting fee).

Our agent is also the listing agent, and while the double agency is actually putting us in a great position to buy this property, we want to make sure our best interests are looked after before sinking into this long term.

Anyone out there have experience in something like this?  

Thank you!

Josh

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  • Joel OwensBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    7y

    NEAR the NFL stadium. You need to define that further. Blocks can make a huge difference in value. Also air rights. Currently you might only have a few stories there but might be allowed to go much higher in the future as zoning laws might be relaxed some as density increases more and more. The Billboard might be grandfathered in and converting to digital is a process. Our office building that consists of lots of different condo owners has been trying to get a digital sign passed and approved over the last year. The age of the building could be cost prohibitive to renovate to what you need.

    There is a ton of work that goes into these types of deals. You need an experienced commercial attorney in this area to guide the process and answer legal type questions. 

    The coffee shop it can make a difference with stabilized cap rate if they are local, regional, or national name brand in nature. How the leases is structured also makes a big difference as to cash flow stream and exit values over time. Look at pedestrian walk scores and what type of parking ic close by. Also look at current and future land use map for revitalization the areas for the county or city and what they plan for the future in and around the property you want to buy.

    A loan at 7.5 to 11% amortized over 20 years are usually crappy loan terms. The regular debt market can have much better rates. Now it can depend on your starting value and exit value. If you can retire the loan sooner with no pre-pay penalty and it allows up to 90% ltv then around 7 to 10 percent interest only would be similar to bridge loan and hard money type rates for the best borrowers.

    The coffee shop type tenant the current space might not have the plumbing capacity yet. They would need to have an engineer model out capacity needs for the space and the tenant improvements cost can get expensive. SBA may or may not be the way to go. Having passive investors with regular type debt at lower interest rates might be a better solution.

    Good Luck - no legal advice given

  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 22 posts · 9 votes
    7y

    Thanks @Joel Owens!

    The building is in downtown Inglewood, less than 1 mile from the stadium. However the blocks around it are redeveloping quickly in downtown. We are allowed to build up to five stories on our lot (which is about 10,000 sq ft).

    We are also grandfathered in with a municipal parking garage next door, with an abundance of parking. This makes things appealing to any retail tenant (especially food and beverage) and because of the garage, we could essentially  build on our 5000 sq foot parking lot, parcel it off, redevelop it into outdoor space, or whatever we like. The parking lot is not essential since we have the large municipal garage.

    The billboard is also grandfathered in with the building, and a special use permit would be required. However, seeing that our project is being funded by the city, we believe those rights would not be an issue, just a negotiation. 

    The loan at those rates is not ideal, however because the loan is coming from the city (SBA 7a loan), we believe there is some value in the strategic partnership, as they will be invested in our success. We may even be able to do two loans, so the city still has skin in the game, and we get a portion of our loan at better rates.

    The coffee shop tenant is a friend and he builds custom retro coffee trailers and places them around LA. He has a proven brand that has been in business for some time. The concept is that he would just assemble a custom trailer INSIDE the bank lobby, and therefore no build out is needed. He just needs a 220 socket and the plumbing, which he would pay for. We really don't have to alter the space much to make this happen. Just demo and sanding the concrete floors, some decorating, etc. 

    Agree with you on the investors -- where does one find passive investors for this type of situation?

    Thank you sir!

  • Ronald RohdePro Member
    Attorney · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Josh W.:

    Thanks @Joel Owens!

    The building is in downtown Inglewood, less than 1 mile from the stadium. However the blocks around it are redeveloping quickly in downtown. We are allowed to build up to five stories on our lot (which is about 10,000 sq ft).

    We are also grandfathered in with a municipal parking garage next door, with an abundance of parking. This makes things appealing to any retail tenant (especially food and beverage) and because of the garage, we could essentially  build on our 5000 sq foot parking lot, parcel it off, redevelop it into outdoor space, or whatever we like. The parking lot is not essential since we have the large municipal garage.

    The billboard is also grandfathered in with the building, and a special use permit would be required. However, seeing that our project is being funded by the city, we believe those rights would not be an issue, just a negotiation. 

    The loan at those rates is not ideal, however because the loan is coming from the city (SBA 7a loan), we believe there is some value in the strategic partnership, as they will be invested in our success. We may even be able to do two loans, so the city still has skin in the game, and we get a portion of our loan at better rates.

    The coffee shop tenant is a friend and he builds custom retro coffee trailers and places them around LA. He has a proven brand that has been in business for some time. The concept is that he would just assemble a custom trailer INSIDE the bank lobby, and therefore no build out is needed. He just needs a 220 socket and the plumbing, which he would pay for. We really don't have to alter the space much to make this happen. Just demo and sanding the concrete floors, some decorating, etc. 

    Agree with you on the investors -- where does one find passive investors for this type of situation?

    Thank you sir!

     Friends and family

    I still think you're overly optimistic on this project. Rehab and substantial projects in LA are not cheap. 

  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 22 posts · 9 votes
    7y

    Thanks @Ronald Rohde

    Do you mind if I ask what information you are basing this on? Just curious if you have experience in the Los Angeles commercial market. Any help would be useful... thanks!

  • Flipper · Cupertino, CA · Member since 2015 · 265 posts · 27 votes
    7y

    Look into other redevelopment issues than just "5 stories". What is the Floor area ratio (FAR), or MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA AND DEVELOPMENT AREA . This is essentially the ratio of developed to undeveloped land and is called different things in different jurisdictions. Getting in an area being gentrified sounds good. I have not heard of this use of 7(a) loans. Look at restrictions on the portion used by your business v. that which is rented out.

    I love the smell of fresh roasted coffee, but I bet it can get nauseating 24/7.

    I love riding on the coattails of taxpayer subsidized funding from SBA and any redevelopment perks you can get, esp. if they are grant.

  • Ronald RohdePro Member
    Attorney · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Josh W.:

    Thanks @Ronald Rohde

    Do you mind if I ask what information you are basing this on? Just curious if you have experience in the Los Angeles commercial market. Any help would be useful... thanks!

     Sure, I have two family members who own warehouse and multi-family in CA (Norcal and LA). They are passive owners, but their construction timelines exceeded anything the GC could have predicted...

  • Appraiser · Mesa, AZ · Member since 2017 · 20 posts · 9 votes
    7y

    Check into local ordinances for City or County and make sure that you can use the sign to advertise off-premise businesses.  Billboard ordinances are very strict in Los Angeles City and County.  They may not allow you to use the sign as means to advertise other businesses.  

  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 22 posts · 9 votes
    7y

    Thanks @Paul Wright! We have had discussions with the city and they are making deals with businesses on a case by case basis, with the caveat that a percentage of the net profits go to the city. This is agreeable on our end depending on the terms. We are not counting on that income, but there are no "hard rules" about this issue right now. It's negotiated on a case by case basis. 

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