Help on property investment

Help on property investment

Sarasota, FL · Member since 2020 · 14 posts · 2 votes

I just want to say i’m a complete novice and new to this. I’m expecting some type of criticism for not understanding or maybe l do. I’ve always heard of people flipping houses & know of family friends who own a decent amount of real estate. Now lm looking into this one property and maybe totally confused but it seems like such a win win.

I found this Forclosed property on Hubzu.com for $549,000 asking price.

5 bedroom/4 bath

5,450sqft

.5 Acres

Backyard lake

Located in South Florida. Looks gorgeous. May need some work looking at pictures not much.

Anyhow I was looking at homes renting in the area for an idea and found a 4 bedroom/5 bath 3,500 sqft renting for $11,000 that last sold for $780,000.. The general renting price in the area is around $7,000-12,000.

So let’s say l put 20% down on this house for $110,000 with a 30 year fixed mortgage. Paying around $4,000 a month knowing obviously i’m not gonna mortgage it that long. Put around $20,000 into it. Rent it out for a minimum of $9,000. That is $108,000 a year. It take around 4 years to pay off the remaining $450,000 of the house or not? I could then sell it or now rent it out for profit?

So l invested $130,000 +/- for a return in 4 years.

I know that doesn’t include other small fees & factors but it’s just a rough estimate..

Again if l sound like a complete idiot i’ll go ahead and delete it but if so someone please explain what i’m missing?

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Jonathan GreeneBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Madison, NJ · Member since 2016 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
6y

You are a complete novice and you want to spend 550k on a Hubzu auction where you will pay a 5-10% premium on top and have no allowance for repairs or requests? You also want to do it 3 hours from where you live and count on it renting for 7k? I would delete this and start over. What is the point of doing this? You don't know what you are doing and you are like Dave Kingman hoping for a homer, but batting .207 with 87 strikeouts in 200 at-bats. Stop looking for foreclosure deals, most of them on Hubzu will be cash only or those will be the only offers that win. If you don't dial down what you are looking to do as a novice, you are going to sink a bunch of cash into the Everglades.

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  • Jonathan GreeneBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Madison, NJ · Member since 2016 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    6y

    You are a complete novice and you want to spend 550k on a Hubzu auction where you will pay a 5-10% premium on top and have no allowance for repairs or requests? You also want to do it 3 hours from where you live and count on it renting for 7k? I would delete this and start over. What is the point of doing this? You don't know what you are doing and you are like Dave Kingman hoping for a homer, but batting .207 with 87 strikeouts in 200 at-bats. Stop looking for foreclosure deals, most of them on Hubzu will be cash only or those will be the only offers that win. If you don't dial down what you are looking to do as a novice, you are going to sink a bunch of cash into the Everglades.

  • Morris County, NJ · Member since 2020 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    @Drew Simpson

    Just the first few things that jump out at me.  You seem to be using gross numbers, some seemingly incorrect, and haven't taken into account amortization.

    Looks like you have a $440k 30 yr mortgage.  Monthly payment should be more like just under $2k, so I'm not sure where your $4k is from, unless you have already included taxes and not said so.  If its not taxes, you need to consider taxes as an expense.

    If you rent it for $9k and you have a $4k monthly payment, you only have $5k per month left.  Having $108k a year to payoff your loan in 4 years won't work.

    Furthermore, because of amortization / compounding, even if you paid down the mortgage at twice the min amount, it'd still take you ~11.5 years to fully pay it off.

    Clean up / provide some more detail on your numbers and see what they tell you.  I hope this helps.  Good luck.

  • Realtor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2019 · 44 posts · 18 votes
    6y

    @Drew Simpson That property you're looking at is in a country club that requires a $50,000 membership (would a country club community like this even allow rentals? Idk, that's why I'm asking) plus annual dues with an additional monthly assessment of $160/month. Taxes are about $14k/year, no idea what the insurance would be, not familiar with the area.

    If your comps are right, this may be flippable, but this seems to be fraud with land mines...

    Good luck!

  • Sarasota, FL · Member since 2020 · 14 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Jonathan Greene Just seems to me like the better deals or most profit are on bigger real estate properties. I know i’m a complete novice. That’s why l came on here to ask. Should you not look into foreclosed houses when trying to flip? What’s wrong with 3 hrs though? I drive to the east coast at least 2 times a month for other work. I did find this on Hubzu but it was listed on realtor.com also. Do you have a website you use to find houses? Or do you use the common ones like zillow and realtor?

    Everyone asks that “ what are you looking for” but l don’t understand this. Isn’t everyone really looking to have the same thing? Own a bunch of real estate to have passive income from it? If l could just own some property’s while l run my food truck and have income from renters that would be AMAZING..

  • Sarasota, FL · Member since 2020 · 14 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Andrew Goodwin How did you find the house l was talking about? Did l give to many details? But thanks for the feedback

  • Rental Property Investor · Miami, FL · Member since 2018 · 12 posts · 7 votes
    6y

    Hello @Drew Simpson,

    Some foreclosure markets in South Florida are very competitive. If you end up winning the bid in these markets, chances are you probably overpaid. Bigger deals increase your potential returns, but also the potential for losses. It might be sensible to start out smaller. 

    Hope this helps.

  • Share RossBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Boynton Beach, FL · Member since 2017 · 250 posts · 135 votes
    6y

    Hi @Drew Simpson

    Hubzu are tricky to deal with. I've done a deal with them before repping the buyer. If I were you, I would avoid Hubzu deals or else be prepared to have a challenging transaction! LOL 

    Yes, foreclosures can be very rewarding. But you'll want to avoid the membership communities. Very tough to flip in there. If you have a big budget, you can look at other areas that can be flipped and then used for STR. Do the research on Air Dna or even just AirBnB ... lots of ways to get in. Depends on your budget, your crew and your expectations. Agree with @Jonathan Greene... forget about the giant homerun especially with Hubzu. That being said... the deal I helped my buyer with ? Once we finallyyyyy closed and after rehabbing .. he has MAJOR equity. He's an owner occupant and verrrry happy with his Boca Raton home. :-) 

  • Jonathan GreeneBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Madison, NJ · Member since 2016 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    6y

    @Drew Simpson this is the exact way to lose all the money you are making, by saying "Everyone asks that “ what are you looking for” but l don’t understand this. Isn’t everyone really looking to have the same thing? Own a bunch of real estate to have passive income from it?"

    In theory, sure, everyone wants that, but no successful investor just sought out to own whatever makes passive income because if they did that they would never have the expertise to dominate a particular market (two-family homes, apartment complexes, mobile home parks).

    Foreclosures are 99% going to be all-cash deals. You thought 3 hours was no big deal (notwithstanding you never flip in a community with pool or golf fees), but flipping is about oversight and when you have little you lose money all day, every day if you don't know your team like the back of your hand, especially as a new person. There are deals all over Sarasota, you just might not find them on the market or you have to look harder.

    Yes, you can make more profit on a larger investment flips, but you also incur more risk. First-time investors should be looking to house hack a SF or MF to learn about landlording or house maintenance, live in one year, rent one year then flip and sell a condo, or something easy. Not a 500k property off Hubzu that you will overpay for and then renovate when you don't even know how.

  • Sarasota, FL · Member since 2020 · 14 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Share Ross Looks like i'm staying away from Hubzu. I'll look into that. STR is on street parking?

  • Share RossBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Boynton Beach, FL · Member since 2017 · 250 posts · 135 votes
    6y

    @Drew Simpson. LOL on Hubzu. :-) 

    STR is Short Term Rentals. Like AirBnb etc.

  • Sarasota, FL · Member since 2020 · 14 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Jonathan Greene I kinda understand. I’d like to focus on single family homes to begin with.. I’ve found 2 smaller properties that’s intrigued me in Sarasota around UTC mall which in my opinion is a good market with all the retail being built on every corner. Also it’s bit more affordable then closer to downtown sarasota but l’ll save showing it till l finish some books and learn up some more. I just want to get my feet wet.

    I guess l won’t look at Foreclosed houses and what do you mean by oversight? If l start out with one or two properties l can’t do all the work?

  • Sarasota, FL · Member since 2020 · 14 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Share Ross Ah Okay! I would love to do that but l don’t think Sarasota is a touristy enough town to do Airbnbs. Maybe siesta key or St Armands (the beach towns) but it’s pretty pricey over there. I’ll look into it.

  • Sarasota, FL · Member since 2016 · 9 posts · 3 votes
    6y

    @Drew Simpson Sarasota is actually an incredible market for short term rentals. Airbnb’s have a very high occupancy rate here and furnished seasonal rentals hit 2-3x the annual rental rates in the winter and summer seasons.

    I agree with the above comments that you should start with a smaller and simpler deal. But I think they were a little harsh with their responses. How else will you learn without getting feedback on your projected numbers.

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