"Panoramic ocean view" Really?

"Panoramic ocean view" Really?

Karen MargraveBusiness Member
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Realtor, General Contractor, and Developer · Redding, CA · Member since 2009 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes

In our hunt to scour Orange County for residential lots on which to build a spec house, I came across two listings I hadn't seen in MLS. Each lot was $250,000. They were in the city of Orange. Knowing Orange is quite a distance from the ocean, when the listing mentioned ocean views, a red flag went up. I called the agent and he told me the lots were terraced, and you could see all the way to Catalina Island. No matter where you are in OC, everyone touts Catalina Island, for some strange reason. The agent also told me that the lots backed to Panorama ? subdivision, a very expensive neighborhood with million dollar homes. So, what the heck, we went to look. To get to the lots you have to drive down a residential street with little cottages around 800 sq. ft. (maybe $200-$300k) then behind the end house are the lots. If a person moved a lot of dirt, you could get a panoramic view, and you might see Catalina Island with a telescope, of course if they remodel the house in front of it to a two story... it's gone! Way.... up on the hill in back of the lots, though adjoining them physically, in a neighborhood in no way connected to that of the lots, (and are in reality located in another city), are homes worth 1,500,000+. Adjacent to the lots is a PUD with condos that are 1200 s.f. and max sales price of 295k.

In checking with the City on zoning, etc. we found out only 1 house could be built on the lots (something the agent didn't know). Obviously with all of that, the lots won't pencil out at basically any price the seller would consider ... but you gotta wonder, why do agents bother to take listings from sellers that are so unrealistic?

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Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
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I do. Because if there is a one-in-100 shot at finding a "greater fool" to buy the property, they get a commission. So, if they put it on the MLS, do a little marketing and happen to find a sucker, they get paid. Simple as that.

Lots of folks wouldn't do the due diligence you did, Karen. For that matter, the owner of these lots probably didn't.

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  • Seattle, WA · Member since 2012 · 51 posts · 9 votes
    13y

    Karen M., Wow, that sounds very frustrating! Who knows why they would do that!

    Dave

  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
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    I do. Because if there is a one-in-100 shot at finding a "greater fool" to buy the property, they get a commission. So, if they put it on the MLS, do a little marketing and happen to find a sucker, they get paid. Simple as that.

    Lots of folks wouldn't do the due diligence you did, Karen. For that matter, the owner of these lots probably didn't.

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    Realtor, General Contractor, and Developer · Redding, CA · Member since 2009 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    13y

    David Gellner It's all part of the game. I put it on BP for those newer investors as a reminder to always check the facts, and never depend on anyone else, even if it's an 'experienced agent' that has it listed. Though most on here are buying houses, the same principal applies. We are brokers/contractors, and know what to look for, but for those that don't know, it can cost alot of $$$, if there's unseen issues. In construction there's a rule, measure twice, cut once!

    @Jon Holdman, I emailed the agent, with a list of the issues, and why the property wasn't worth the $250k per lot, so that he might be able to use it to get his seller to understand reality, as the sellers daughter (an attorney) wants her elderly dad to sell the property so he can move closer to her, therefore; maybe he will relent and take less. For us, we aren't interested in the land, but for the old man, it may make a difference in his life.

  • Seattle, WA · Member since 2012 · 51 posts · 9 votes
    13y

    Karen M. Thanks for posting this Karen! As a new investor I really appreciate these forewarnings and tips!

  • Investor · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 450 votes
    13y

    This is common. Just going to look at something in person eliminates further action a lot of the time. But if you don't already know enough to at least look at a property before you buy it, you shouldn't be investing in real estate at all.

  • Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 19 posts · 7 votes
    13y

    This reminds me of one of my favourite real estate stories I was ever told by the man who got me interested in real estate:

    NYC during the 1970's were many renowned colleges and universities, one being NYU. When a new building was being built near Washington Square Park (essentially a hub for the university and university housing), an investor bought an apartment in the new building. He immediately put it up for sale at 5x the price he bought it for.

    Years passed as he rented out the apartment for a modest rate to students/professors. He would occasionally get offers, but of course they were far below his inflated asking price. Some months the apartment went unoccupied, sometimes it was rented.

    Nearly ten years after he placed the property on the market for 5x buying price, a very wealthy European sending his daughter to school at NYU called the owner, met him at the apartment steps, walked inside, and bought the apartment for asking price.

    If you are willing to wait, as Jon pointed out, a fool very well may emerge. And if at any point prior to, if the investor became desperate, he could always lower his price...

  • Real Estate Broker · Gibsonia, PA · Member since 2013 · 828 posts · 260 votes
    13y

    Karen M. great share, yes do your due diligence!!!

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