Interviewing for an MFR agent

Interviewing for an MFR agent

Investor · San Francisco Bay Area · Member since 2019 · 22 posts · 2 votes

I have a couple really good agents in various areas around me and am looking to expand to a few places that are a few hours away. I know the areas, but I don't know them "than well" so I need help in confirming information and also would love help finding properties. I have received referrals, etc. but it seems most of the people referred to me really don't know what they are doing in relation to MFR. I try to be self sufficient and largely spoon feed them the properties I am interested in. For example I might find property X. Based on the listing I can generally determine cashflows and get some idea of the property but I can't tell everything. So I ask the agent if the listed rents in that area are fair, top dollar or low. Is the area up and coming or a "scary" neighborhood. Does the MLS have any telling info that an non-agent can't see? Most of these "specialist" agents can't answer much of anything in this regard because they really aren't MFR people. The agents I currently use would be able to tell me that the area isn't "good" and that the rents are high because they are a special state sponsored program (not section 8) that could stop at any time. Or, that it is a great location near a University and that listing price is higher due to the fact that vacancy is near non-existent, but that the condition is a bit low for the area. That is actionable for me and I can decide whether to drive and see the property or strike it off the list. I also discuss with new agents what I am looking for in terms of cashflow or return or some mix and the wanna be agents seem to always bring me properties that have significantly negative cashflow and then can't answer any questions as to why they brought that particular property to me.

I am needless to say, frustrated. Am I asking too much? Is there a way to find an agent that really does know the ins and outs of the MFR rental market? Are there specific questions that might give a clue as to their abilities? I can monitor the MLS and other sources, I really just want someone to verify what I think I know and then do the paperwork for the offer/purchase. Oh, and if they have an inside scoop on something that might be coming soon, then let me know about it early.

No need to be gentle, I have thick skin.

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  • Abel CurielBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Queens, NY · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    Hey @Eric Petersen,

    I think your expectations are pretty reasonable. One thing I have to mention- Agents (I'm only speaking from my experience in NY) cannot tell you if a neighborhood is "good" or "dangerous". There are some guidelines that our local MLS' and NAR (Nat'l assoc. of Realtors) have us follow and those are the things they prohibit us from saying.

    That being said, the information you're looking for from an agent who specializes in MFR is pretty standard. I recommend using the 'Search' and 'Keyword Alerts' functions here on BP to check out some past forum posts and suggestions on this topic.

    I'd also recommend you complete your BP profile and cite specific towns/cities when you post on the forums. This way, people who specialize in your topics and areas of interest can easily find your posts. This is how I get many of my recommendations for people and its how I get many of my questions answered.

    Best of luck to you moving forward!!

    Abel

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  • Rental Property Investor · Concord, CA · Member since 2015 · 26 posts · 9 votes
    6y

    @Eric Petersen

    Are you looking in the East Bay? I work at a very large brokerage and can easily find the highest recommended agent in my area for MFR.

  • Real Estate Broker · Vancouver, WA · Member since 2018 · 168 posts · 120 votes
    6y

    Welcome to the everyday struggle of trying to connect with agents who understand commercial real estate/real estate investing. The questions you're asking are reasonable, appropriate, and necessary. 

    To screen agents, ask a few basic questions that should immediately tell you if the person you're speaking with really understands real estate investing:

    1.) What is a CAP rate?

    2.) What is CAPEX, and what is the general reserve percentage?

    3.) What is rent escalation, and what is the average per year?

    For area-specific questions:

    1.) What's the average CAP rate MFRs are selling for around (Area)?

    2.) How many doors can ($$$) get me in (Area)?

    I'm not familiar with any agents up in the Bay Area, so, unfortunately, I can't connect you with anyone. But I hope you find someone who can help you lock down what you're looking for.

    Good luck!

  • Investor · San Francisco Bay Area · Member since 2019 · 22 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Janelle Green I am looking in the East Bay and truly the greater Bay Area but Oakland and Berkeley are currently out due to onerous landlord rules. I have a great agent in the El Cerrito & Richmond area but could use somebody in Antioch, Pittsburg Martinez and/or Solano county. I am also looking in Reno and will be meeting someone later this week.

    @Wyatt Franta thanks for confirming and the sample questions. I will add them to the list.

    Maybe another follow on would be what to do when I ask someone to look for properties in Area A and then find out they are horrible. Do I formally fire them or do I just find someone new and now I have two people in Area A. I want to be honest with everyone as it is only fair, but not sure how to go about that step. I have fired a couple just to make the point that they were less than useless and should step up their game, but otherwise if they just kind of fade away into the sunset, should I take any proactive steps?

  • Realtor · Oakland, CA and a Real Estate Investor with Multi-Family Units and a Self Storage Facility · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    @Eric Petersen    Have you been pre-approved with a lender yet?

  • Investor · San Francisco Bay Area · Member since 2019 · 22 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Brian Garlington  Yes, but I have the ability to do all cash offers as well.

  • Realtor · Oakland, CA and a Real Estate Investor with Multi-Family Units and a Self Storage Facility · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    Once you get an area narrowed down you should be fine. Having one agent for El Cerrito and Richmond, and then wanting another one possibly for Antioch and Pittsburg,...but then saying you're also open to Reno may come across to some agents that you have not quite narrowed down where you want to invest yet. Once you get that figured out you'll be able to get an agent that can better serve you.

  • Lender · Santa Rosa, CA · Member since 2017 · 283 posts · 255 votes
    6y

    When you say Multifamily, how many units are you looking for? If you are looking for large multifamily, the answer will be a little different. If you are looking for small multifamily, I think what you really want is an agent who is an active investor. It is amazing how hard that is to find but if you find one of those, I think you will solve a lot of your issues.

    Rents are the first clue to the type of tenant as well as the area. You can check through zillow, fb marketplace, craigslist, rentometer, etc. what the rents for the cities you are interested in. You can then quickly figure out if the rents are below market or the area is below your target ...

  • Investor · San Francisco Bay Area · Member since 2019 · 22 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Dave DeMarinis My concern with finding an "active investor" as an agent was that I felt that I would be competing with them for the best properties. Is this a false fear?

    @Brian Garlington While I may look scattered, and maybe I am, my goal is to find properties in areas that are close to me or that I travel to/through frequently. I really don't care if the property is in El Cerrito, Hayward, Danville, Antioch, etc. as those are all within a radius of me, the key is the economics. I travel quite a bit to the Reno area so I am also open to rentals there.

    I am generally looking for 1-4 unit properties but am open to large complexes if the numbers are right.

    Lastly, I am also interested in OOS investing but really am not sure how to break into markets that I have 0 affinity with.  I have read a lot about out of state investing, and my plan would be to find a good manager to run it all for me.  I have a friend here in CA that has properties in Oregon, Washington, North Carolina, etc. and it is all working out pretty well for him.  The returns that are achieved in these other states are VERY high compared to CA due to the much lower cost per unit with rents that aren't that much lower.  I often LOL (only because it seems unfair) when I read about investors that buy a duplex for $100k and rent each side for $750.  Here that duplex would cost $800k and bring in maybe $1k in rent.  Obviously the $250 in extra rent does not compensate for the 8x price differential.

    Still trying to break the ice.  Made a few offers but still no purchases.

  • Lender · Santa Rosa, CA · Member since 2017 · 283 posts · 255 votes
    6y

    @Eric Petersen I wouldn't worry about your fear. Think of it like this. 

     There are four ways you get the great cherry deals.

    1. Buy a lot of good blueberry deals, so if someone has a cherry deal and can't/won't take it down, they will give it to you because of all the good blueberries you buy

    2. Networking - the more relationships you have, the more deals you see and the better chance a cherry falls in your lap

    3. Create the deal - realistically, this is hard when new but if you can create something others don't see (they think it is a prune), you can create your own great cherry deal

    4. Luck - not a great strategy but fun when it happens. Again, the more active you are, the more chances to receive this good cherry fortune.

    In summary, the investor agent will probably have better blueberries than the agents who've been showing you eggplants. The eggplant agent probably won't ever come across the cherry and if they do, they will probably suddenly become an investor agent :-) Meanwhile, you will build your blueberry empire to fund your life and retirement instead of turning down a bunch of eggplants. Hopefully you aren't allergic to fruit and that helps.

  • Jerome KaidorPro Member
    Investor · Hayward, CA · Member since 2013 · 139 posts · 65 votes
    6y

    @Eric Peterson - That $800K duplex will surely bring in at least $5K in rents.  Here in Hayward, 2-bedroom apartments are bringing $2400/month.  But your point is still valid.  At this time, Bay Area MF is definitely not a cash flow play.

  • Investor · San Francisco Bay Area · Member since 2019 · 22 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    Yea, depending on condition $1000 is probably light, but ugh the value just isn't here in the Bay Area.  

  • Jerome KaidorPro Member
    Investor · Hayward, CA · Member since 2013 · 139 posts · 65 votes
    6y

    Let's look at this imaginary $800K duplex: Our purchase price is $800K, our down payment 25% or $200K.  Loan is $600K.  Assuming a 30-year mortgage at 5%, we have a payment of $3220.93.  Add $2K/year of insurance, $2400/year of property tax ( approx 1.2% of purchase price ), say $100/month per door for maintenance & repair.  $200/month water/sewer/garbage, $50/month common electricity.  Total expenses about $4637.  Positive cash flow about $350/month.  Realistically, stuff will happen, and your cash flow will be more like $200/month.  The cash on cash is not so good, at 1.2%, but you have hope of appreciation.

    The thing that bites, is that they try to sell that duplex with current rents $2K instead of $5K.  And give out a "pro forma" promise of cash flow.  And people actually buy it!  Never mind that Hayward has rent control, and now the whole state has rent control, and you'll never get there.  We, as careful investors, have to compete with people who apparently Just Don't Care if they make money or not.

    I just got an email from an agent who got a MF complex in Oakland sold at a cap rate of 1.69%....

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