Selling Land, Issues with Agent?

Selling Land, Issues with Agent?

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I have some land that I am trying to sell for a relative. I interviewed several agents and made my final choice based on the professionalism and organization of one in particular. Most of the agents came up with roughly the same asking price, and this one was no different. I thought the number high, and addressed that with him, but he showed me some comps that did support the number. And I compiled a list of recent sales and found also that the data supports the number. 

I'm also in no particular hurry, at least, I wasn't when I listed with this agent 4 months ago. Lately however I have had more time to talk to the relative and it turns out that what he is trying to do is use the net proceeds from the sale to pay off or down his home mortgage, which is still in its front, and costing a lot in interest. Were the agent to get the asking price--which I don't expect to happen--my grandfather would be able to pay off his mortgage and live happily ever after. Even if it were close the ask, he'd be in good shape to at least pay it down and transfer the remaining balance to a HELOC which would free up some much needed monthly cashflow for him.

So far I can identify two mistakes I have made with this agent. First, I didn't demand a performance guarantee in the listing contract. Second, I didn't ask for a CMA until after signing. He provided one when I asked, but it wasn't up to my standards. More on that later, I'd have to dig it up and see what was wrong with it.

I signed up to list it for a year, and I didn't tell him that until signing day. He was surprised but I reminded him that I'm not in any particular hurry. 

He has marketed it quite well. Youtube videos, zillow, trulia, all over the place. The photos were much better than I could have done, and netwoked far better than I'd have the time or energy to fiddle with. 

Then there was a showing. He called me that afternoon asking me the details of the boundaries, etc, and I was a little surprised because I had provided him with all of that with a map included. So I just said, I'll go out there and meet the potential buyers. He tells me "the" agent will be there. I get there and find the agent, but the buyers are lost and on their way. Meanwhile I chat with the agent and find out that he's not one of my agency's people, but reps the BUYER. Okay, my mistake, but I was like hmmm, my agent is not here for this showing. But I am. Now, I did look into that and understand it can be detrimental for the listing agent to have to be at every showing, but this is a complicated piece of land and I feel someone needs to be there for the showing. And I told him that. And he agreed that from now on he would do so. 

Over the next three months until the present there has been some interest, I think 2 more showings, but no offers. So I asked the agent, is this normal? No offers? Not even a bs one? He tells me that it's normal, land takes forever to sell. But I'm thinking, I didn't ask if it was normal that it hadn't sold yet, I asked why there haven't been any offers. I have yet to address it further. 

That's my first question--is it normal? If yes, then fine, we'll wait, patiently. 

If no, then as I understand it the problem is usuall one of marketing or pricing. And as I said he seems to have marketed it well, at least as far as I can tell. But I am wondering now if the price is too high. Were that the case, it would be the first point against the agent as far as I'm concerned because, it is his show, I let him choose the price. This made me wonder at what point he might bring it up. Or will he wait for ME to bring it up, so that it can look like I thought he overpriced it, while he never had to admit that perhaps HE did. I dunno. Thoughts I have late at night. 

So I spoke to my dear old granddad and told him all this and he wants to wait before lowering the price. I helped him run the numbers to estimate the minimum he could get for his property and still pay off all of his mortgage, and what he would need to get in order to pay it down and transfer the balance to the HELOC. He's gonna mull it over, and meanwhile I am to go research this question (as I am doing now) and prepare to ask my agent some hard questions.

I am here because I don't know anyone in the business around here that isn't a few phone taps away from my agent. And I am always curious what wisdom I can get out of the webs.


thanks in advance,

sal 

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Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
7y

Simple, lower the price if you are no longer “in no hurry to sell”.

A couple of points...

There is no such thing as a “performance guarantee”

Not sure why You think the CMA is bad...you agreed the comps were valid, and I'm not sure what your inexperienced "standards" might be, it's not something you're going to persuade a buyer with.

Raw land does take a lot longer to sell.

If the land has odd boundaries, then the Owner should put out some approximate boundary markers.

Listing agents don’t go to most showings.

And of course, how much your grandad would need to make his life easier has no bearing on what someone might pay for it.

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  • Real Estate Investor · Des Moines, IA · Member since 2016 · 922 posts · 533 votes
    7y

    I've had very little experience in land transactions.  But, our one data point where we were party to a transaction was - we asked an out of area landowner if they would sell 1.75 acres.  And if so, how much.  This was on the first phone conversation.  She said, $5500 - we said yes right there.  Drove up and drafted up a contract (purchase agreement).  I missed some stuff re: who pays taxes among other things in terms of details on the purchase agreement.

    Then, it took about a year to close.

    The other one is that we're shopping for land.  A 120 acre timbered tract I called on was listed for $420k and I talked to the agent.  He was candid and said that they haven't gotten an offer in the year it's been listed.

    My hunch is that land is far less liquid than a house.

  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    7y

    Land can take years to sell in many many cases. The only time I see land sell quickly is if it is a lot in a multimillion dollar neighborhood.

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y

    Simple, lower the price if you are no longer “in no hurry to sell”.

    A couple of points...

    There is no such thing as a “performance guarantee”

    Not sure why You think the CMA is bad...you agreed the comps were valid, and I'm not sure what your inexperienced "standards" might be, it's not something you're going to persuade a buyer with.

    Raw land does take a lot longer to sell.

    If the land has odd boundaries, then the Owner should put out some approximate boundary markers.

    Listing agents don’t go to most showings.

    And of course, how much your grandad would need to make his life easier has no bearing on what someone might pay for it.

  • Doug SmithPro Member
    Lender · Tampa, FL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    Granted, most real estate agents aren't that great, but it doesn't sound like this one is necessarily doing a poor job. You hear Location, Location, Location is the key to real estate, but I have found that Pricing is the most important factor in moving a home. Most properties will sell if they are priced appropriately...that means that pretty much any condition, location, etc, properties will sell if they are priced appropriately for those factors. Regarding the listing agent not being at the showing, that is customary unless you specifically request it. Many buyers and buyers agents are uncomfortable with a listing agent hanging around and sticking their nose into the conversation. On another note, I agree with @Wayne Brooks that many property owners put greater values on properties than then should due to sentimental reasons or "what they need." Property values are purely driven by what a buyer is willing to pay, which means that buyers generally look very closely at what similar properties have sold for recently. I suspect that the reason the property is not moving is that it is priced inappropriately for the location, condition, use, etc. A price reduction is likely in order. Good luck with the sale!

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y

    @Russell Brazil @Wayne Brooks  I cut my teeth selling land in my early years.. as an 18 YO agent I was too impatient to work with buyers that needed to use a bank LOL appraisals inspections etc etc.

    AS such I only sold land and I doubled ended everything I sold.. if its rural land and it sounds like it, the buyer not finding it is very common.. a lot of my listings were up in the national forest north of SF .. So just finding the land was a specialty and other agents generally could not find it either and for sure could not walk it or find corners.. So I did not even use the MLS for my land listings I advertised them in the Paper .. and worked the buyers myself.. I know its not common these days but good land men / women out here in the west this is pretty much how they sell their inventory..

    You need to be able to read maps well  USGS quad maps, now you have google earth of course.. I mean just surveying a 100 acre parcel out in the boonies could cost 20 to 30k or more. 

    the Key to selling land is owner financing.. without it going to be a long slog.. there are only so many cash buyers and there is no bank or very few that will loan on land unless as Russ says hi value infill.   And on top of all that my fee was minimum 15% and for really tough to sell props I charged 30% commish.. most would balk but once they listed for the 6% and sat on it for years  they would come to me and follow my program I generally could get them moved in 6 months or less.. Plus since it was all owner finance the escrows were quite short.. and I would usually take say 25 to 50% of the down payment then take 50% of the monthly payment until my fee was paid it was important for the seller to get some cash at close.   I worked up a pretty nice residual cash flow in the late 70s and early 80s.. 

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