Kingston, NY Waterfront Multi Family with Commercial Space

Kingston, NY Waterfront Multi Family with Commercial Space

Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2019 · 5 posts · 1 vote

I saw a 2 apartment building with a commercial space on the 1st floor in the Roundout section of Kingston, NY.  Commercial space is going to be empty since they were paying a ridiculously cheap $450/mo for years (about 750 sq feet) and the apartments are both occupied by long time tenants on month- month leases. Each paying $850/month, both 1 Bed, 1 Bath but 3rd floor unit could be potentially converted to two small bedrooms. Large backyard- access from tenants building and commercial space. Asking 499k.  

I haven't spent a ton of time in this district of Kingston but was pleasantly surprised by the amount of retail, restaurants etc that have popped up in the past year.  From some research it seems like these apartments are a bit under priced.  For what it's worth I had a great feeling about the area.

I like the idea of long-term rentals, but the commercial space has thrown me for a loop. Another thought was to eventually convert the top floor unit into a two bedroom Airbnb.  (I own an Airbnb property in the Catskills, so I know the drill here.)

I am missing a few numbers to pull off a full analysis of this deal which I am working on getting now but wanted to throw out the question: Given I am a complete newbie at multi family does the commercial space sound too risky even if the numbers work out?

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  • Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2019 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    Analysis attached. Ran the numbers a few times and the only way it was cash flowing was if all these stars aligned:

    -rented out commercial space on first floor for $1500

    - made 3rd floor apartment into an airbnb making $2000/mo after expenses

    - bumped up rent on 2nd floor unit $50

    -oh.. and offered $450k

    Does anyone go about a deal making this many assumptions or should the property cash flow positive before tweaking numbers and hoping for commercial rent?

  • Rental Property Investor · New York City, NY · Member since 2016 · 47 posts · 13 votes
    7y

    Hi Emily, for what it's worth, yes that area is basically turned around, just as Uptown has. It's also fetching prices that are beginning to look out of line with typical cashflow returns, as the cats out of the bag in Kingston, especially in those areas. It's probably a wonderful property and if it works for your intentions and investment strategy, then kudos. With that said, you could likely find a property, in Midtown perhaps, that throws off similar income/cashflow for half the price. 

  • Real Estate Investor · Saugerties, NY · Member since 2016 · 10 posts · 3 votes
    7y

    Mid town rents run around 1200 per month for 2BR/1B and 1400 per month for 3BR/1B. East side of Broadway gets slightly higher rents than west side in general. There is a lot of demand and I generally have a place rented to a background checked, quality tenant in less than a month. Turnover is also low. Like Jared stated, prices are on the rise but deals are still there. In my opinion, Hudson NY is next trendy spot up the Hudson but there a fewer opportunities there. Happy hunting.

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