First Rental Purchased (Atlanta, GA), Here's My Experience

First Rental Purchased (Atlanta, GA), Here's My Experience

Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2017 · 28 posts · 21 votes

So to introduce myself, I'm 31 years old, with a stable full-time avg. paying job in NYS. I have investments mostly tied to stock market and wanted to diversify as who know's how long this uptick will last and there seem's to have always been wealth to be made in owning real estate. I knew nothing starting out but I started reading a lot about real estate investing online and mostly got into podcasts such as Bigger Pockets but a few others as well. NYC and nearby is un-affordable for profitable rentals in my price range unless I get about 2 hours away in which the rental market is less dependable. For that matter I learned out-of-state investing is now very doable and more likely to be profitable at my price ranges. 

I initially was looking on Roofstock.com and a couple similar sites for out of state a long-term rental investments but it was about 11/2017 and I found their inventory to be too limited at the time and sometimes slightly over priced. I also found it difficult to really gauge comps for houses as the selection was from all over the country. I narrowed down to a few cities, (Austin, Charlotte, Atlanta, Indianapolis) for various reasons (population growth, job growth, etc...). I waited for inventory to appear on these sites but eventually started to speak directly to a few property managers I had kept coming across and was told I can buy with them directly from out-of-state (although they did support Roofstock.com and did not intend to dissuade me from using the site). I eventually settled on Atlanta for the reasons previously mentioned and also because I found property managers/agents at Excalibur Homes to be extremely responsive and helpful.

I did a lot of searching for homes, I made my own excel sheet with formulas to plug in numbers on properties. To be honest the cash on cash and cap rates were lower than I had heard on podcasts and in forums etc. so I was constantly discouraged. Also the better inventory seemed to be snatched up within a day or 2 from being posted on the MLS therefore I learned to constantly check notifications from my buying agent and search sites I set up notifications from. I got stuck a little in analysis paralysis, I was aware I was looking for a good house in a good school district in a good neighborhood with good rental potential and better rates when running the formulas. I tried not to budge too much on any those which I don't think is a bad thing as I was putting bids down but was not getting the top bid. I did on one property get the contract but the inspection (that one hurt) came back horrendous. The agent agreed to do a walkthrough before I ordered inspection on future contracts (lesson learned). Eventually a few houses showed up part of a portfolio that were cheaper than my target price range but not in as a great of a school district. The numbers seemed to work however, I narrowed to a single house in that portfolio which was in good enough shape and already rented even which turned out to be a plus and I was able to quickly bid and get the property lower than expected.

I was in contract 03/2018. The process from there on gets busy. I have excellent credit and a few lenders lined up with pre-approval, I settled on one that was very responsive, very knowledgeable, established, and seemed to have slightly lower closing costs than some of the major popular routes (such as Rocket Mortgage). We were able to close in 3 weeks, I didn't have to, but I flew down to Atlanta for the closing as a sort of vacation and to bask in my first property purchase (I've lived in an apartment my whole life and currently still do). 

There's so much I can go into with the whole process. From searching, analyzing, bidding, in-contract, closing, there's a lot that goes on and what most people don't tell you is that it can feel scary at every moment, more so because you don't know, what you don't know. 

My advice would be: 

-First narrow your search a bit but stay flexible enough that you won't miss a deal. It might not feel like a deal, but if you are able to know prices of certain neighborhoods and check price AND rental comps (don't rely on broker only or one single source for that info) than you can determine if your comfortable with those numbers and put a bid in. 

-Keep researching and listening to podcasts, it helps with the don't know what you don't know parts. I'm not very outgoing but talk to people. I found out a friend of mine was doing something similar. (I became discouraged to learn he was doing it a lot faster and with so far good results but have since realized his scale is different, as is his risk-tolerance and goals). I did learn a lot and find re-assurance from hearing about his experience though.

-Talk to the agents and lenders, don't expect THEM to make you rich, don't hound them, don't rely too much, do your own research but talk to them, realize you're worth their time if you're going to ultimately trying to give them your business but try not to waste their time as well.

-Try to take your emotions out of it all. In the beginning although I was running numbers I was staying away from houses I would not want to live in even though they met all standards. Ultimately the house I purchased is not for my taste but is very rent-able, that matters more.

-Make sure you have a good agent, lender, property manager lined up. Eventually you'll also need an attorney (I went with the one provided by lender which was a VERY good choice), and a home-owners insurance provider (I used multiple agents until I was happy with coverage and price (DON'T under insure).

-Don't get discouraged. There are some things many people seem to insist upon in your position but keep doing your research, keep staying active in action. Even if your next task is to learn about mortgage types or to learn how home insurance works or to decide on LLC vs Sole Proprietor ownership (<--- Hot Topic). These are things that seem intimidating and halt the whole process but little by little hitting these topics on your way to finding and bidding and closing on the home helps immensely. 

-Keep looking for what you don't know, this is probably good advice for any new skill/activity/business endeavor. 

There's a lot more I'd love to say about all this so I'll leave it for questions/topics, whether it be the mortgage product (30 year fixed), ownership type (individual), analysis process, decision making, "why this and not that", I'd love to discuss it all. It will help review the process for myself and maybe help others understand how and why to do things a certain way. Thank you for reading and good luck!

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Jason G.Pro Member
Rental Property Investor · Long Island, NY · Member since 2015 · 434 posts · 495 votes
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Originally posted by @Jason Pennacchio:

So to introduce myself, I'm 31 years old, with a stable full-time avg. paying job in NYS. I have investments mostly tied to stock market and wanted to diversify as who know's how long this uptick will last and there seem's to have always been wealth to be made in owning real estate. I knew nothing starting out but I started reading a lot about real estate investing online and mostly got into podcasts such as Bigger Pockets but a few others as well. NYC and nearby is un-affordable for profitable rentals in my price range unless I get about 2 hours away in which the rental market is less dependable. For that matter I learned out-of-state investing is now very doable and more likely to be profitable at my price ranges. 

I initially was looking on Roofstock.com and a couple similar sites for out of state a long-term rental investments but it was about 11/2017 and I found their inventory to be too limited at the time and sometimes slightly over priced. I also found it difficult to really gauge comps for houses as the selection was from all over the country. I narrowed down to a few cities, (Austin, Charlotte, Atlanta, Indianapolis) for various reasons (population growth, job growth, etc...). I waited for inventory to appear on these sites but eventually started to speak directly to a few property managers I had kept coming across and was told I can buy with them directly from out-of-state (although they did support Roofstock.com and did not intend to dissuade me from using the site). I eventually settled on Atlanta for the reasons previously mentioned and also because I found property managers/agents at Excalibur Homes to be extremely responsive and helpful.

I did a lot of searching for homes, I made my own excel sheet with formulas to plug in numbers on properties. To be honest the cash on cash and cap rates were lower than I had heard on podcasts and in forums etc. so I was constantly discouraged. Also the better inventory seemed to be snatched up within a day or 2 from being posted on the MLS therefore I learned to constantly check notifications from my buying agent and search sites I set up notifications from. I got stuck a little in analysis paralysis, I was aware I was looking for a good house in a good school district in a good neighborhood with good rental potential and better rates when running the formulas. I tried not to budge too much on any those which I don't think is a bad thing as I was putting bids down but was not getting the top bid. I did on one property get the contract but the inspection (that one hurt) came back horrendous. The agent agreed to do a walkthrough before I ordered inspection on future contracts (lesson learned). Eventually a few houses showed up part of a portfolio that were cheaper than my target price range but not in as a great of a school district. The numbers seemed to work however, I narrowed to a single house in that portfolio which was in good enough shape and already rented even which turned out to be a plus and I was able to quickly bid and get the property lower than expected.

I was in contract 03/2018. The process from there on gets busy. I have excellent credit and a few lenders lined up with pre-approval, I settled on one that was very responsive, very knowledgeable, established, and seemed to have slightly lower closing costs than some of the major popular routes (such as Rocket Mortgage). We were able to close in 3 weeks, I didn't have to, but I flew down to Atlanta for the closing as a sort of vacation and to bask in my first property purchase (I've lived in an apartment my whole life and currently still do). 

There's so much I can go into with the whole process. From searching, analyzing, bidding, in-contract, closing, there's a lot that goes on and what most people don't tell you is that it can feel scary at every moment, more so because you don't know, what you don't know. 

My advice would be: 

-First narrow your search a bit but stay flexible enough that you won't miss a deal. It might not feel like a deal, but if you are able to know prices of certain neighborhoods and check price AND rental comps (don't rely on broker only or one single source for that info) than you can determine if your comfortable with those numbers and put a bid in. 

-Keep researching and listening to podcasts, it helps with the don't know what you don't know parts. I'm not very outgoing but talk to people. I found out a friend of mine was doing something similar. (I became discouraged to learn he was doing it a lot faster and with so far good results but have since realized his scale is different, as is his risk-tolerance and goals). I did learn a lot and find re-assurance from hearing about his experience though.

-Talk to the agents and lenders, don't expect THEM to make you rich, don't hound them, don't rely too much, do your own research but talk to them, realize you're worth their time if you're going to ultimately trying to give them your business but try not to waste their time as well.

-Try to take your emotions out of it all. In the beginning although I was running numbers I was staying away from houses I would not want to live in even though they met all standards. Ultimately the house I purchased is not for my taste but is very rent-able, that matters more.

-Make sure you have a good agent, lender, property manager lined up. Eventually you'll also need an attorney (I went with the one provided by lender which was a VERY good choice), and a home-owners insurance provider (I used multiple agents until I was happy with coverage and price (DON'T under insure).

-Don't get discouraged. There are some things many people seem to insist upon in your position but keep doing your research, keep staying active in action. Even if your next task is to learn about mortgage types or to learn how home insurance works or to decide on LLC vs Sole Proprietor ownership (<--- Hot Topic). These are things that seem intimidating and halt the whole process but little by little hitting these topics on your way to finding and bidding and closing on the home helps immensely. 

-Keep looking for what you don't know, this is probably good advice for any new skill/activity/business endeavor. 

There's a lot more I'd love to say about all this so I'll leave it for questions/topics, whether it be the mortgage product (30 year fixed), ownership type (individual), analysis process, decision making, "why this and not that", I'd love to discuss it all. It will help review the process for myself and maybe help others understand how and why to do things a certain way. Thank you for reading and good luck!

Which area did you end up purchasing in and can you share some of the numbers? I purchased three properties through Roofstock and one through Excalibur and Excalibur manages all four of them. While looking for properties with the aid of Excalibur I experienced horrendous inspections twice (I won't even consider a property now that has prior pending sales that fell through) and also experienced MLS properties being scooped up right after listing, even beating out my full price offers. Atlanta Metro is a sellers market and I think becoming more difficult for out of state buyers.

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  • Jason G.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Long Island, NY · Member since 2015 · 434 posts · 495 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Jason Pennacchio:

    So to introduce myself, I'm 31 years old, with a stable full-time avg. paying job in NYS. I have investments mostly tied to stock market and wanted to diversify as who know's how long this uptick will last and there seem's to have always been wealth to be made in owning real estate. I knew nothing starting out but I started reading a lot about real estate investing online and mostly got into podcasts such as Bigger Pockets but a few others as well. NYC and nearby is un-affordable for profitable rentals in my price range unless I get about 2 hours away in which the rental market is less dependable. For that matter I learned out-of-state investing is now very doable and more likely to be profitable at my price ranges. 

    I initially was looking on Roofstock.com and a couple similar sites for out of state a long-term rental investments but it was about 11/2017 and I found their inventory to be too limited at the time and sometimes slightly over priced. I also found it difficult to really gauge comps for houses as the selection was from all over the country. I narrowed down to a few cities, (Austin, Charlotte, Atlanta, Indianapolis) for various reasons (population growth, job growth, etc...). I waited for inventory to appear on these sites but eventually started to speak directly to a few property managers I had kept coming across and was told I can buy with them directly from out-of-state (although they did support Roofstock.com and did not intend to dissuade me from using the site). I eventually settled on Atlanta for the reasons previously mentioned and also because I found property managers/agents at Excalibur Homes to be extremely responsive and helpful.

    I did a lot of searching for homes, I made my own excel sheet with formulas to plug in numbers on properties. To be honest the cash on cash and cap rates were lower than I had heard on podcasts and in forums etc. so I was constantly discouraged. Also the better inventory seemed to be snatched up within a day or 2 from being posted on the MLS therefore I learned to constantly check notifications from my buying agent and search sites I set up notifications from. I got stuck a little in analysis paralysis, I was aware I was looking for a good house in a good school district in a good neighborhood with good rental potential and better rates when running the formulas. I tried not to budge too much on any those which I don't think is a bad thing as I was putting bids down but was not getting the top bid. I did on one property get the contract but the inspection (that one hurt) came back horrendous. The agent agreed to do a walkthrough before I ordered inspection on future contracts (lesson learned). Eventually a few houses showed up part of a portfolio that were cheaper than my target price range but not in as a great of a school district. The numbers seemed to work however, I narrowed to a single house in that portfolio which was in good enough shape and already rented even which turned out to be a plus and I was able to quickly bid and get the property lower than expected.

    I was in contract 03/2018. The process from there on gets busy. I have excellent credit and a few lenders lined up with pre-approval, I settled on one that was very responsive, very knowledgeable, established, and seemed to have slightly lower closing costs than some of the major popular routes (such as Rocket Mortgage). We were able to close in 3 weeks, I didn't have to, but I flew down to Atlanta for the closing as a sort of vacation and to bask in my first property purchase (I've lived in an apartment my whole life and currently still do). 

    There's so much I can go into with the whole process. From searching, analyzing, bidding, in-contract, closing, there's a lot that goes on and what most people don't tell you is that it can feel scary at every moment, more so because you don't know, what you don't know. 

    My advice would be: 

    -First narrow your search a bit but stay flexible enough that you won't miss a deal. It might not feel like a deal, but if you are able to know prices of certain neighborhoods and check price AND rental comps (don't rely on broker only or one single source for that info) than you can determine if your comfortable with those numbers and put a bid in. 

    -Keep researching and listening to podcasts, it helps with the don't know what you don't know parts. I'm not very outgoing but talk to people. I found out a friend of mine was doing something similar. (I became discouraged to learn he was doing it a lot faster and with so far good results but have since realized his scale is different, as is his risk-tolerance and goals). I did learn a lot and find re-assurance from hearing about his experience though.

    -Talk to the agents and lenders, don't expect THEM to make you rich, don't hound them, don't rely too much, do your own research but talk to them, realize you're worth their time if you're going to ultimately trying to give them your business but try not to waste their time as well.

    -Try to take your emotions out of it all. In the beginning although I was running numbers I was staying away from houses I would not want to live in even though they met all standards. Ultimately the house I purchased is not for my taste but is very rent-able, that matters more.

    -Make sure you have a good agent, lender, property manager lined up. Eventually you'll also need an attorney (I went with the one provided by lender which was a VERY good choice), and a home-owners insurance provider (I used multiple agents until I was happy with coverage and price (DON'T under insure).

    -Don't get discouraged. There are some things many people seem to insist upon in your position but keep doing your research, keep staying active in action. Even if your next task is to learn about mortgage types or to learn how home insurance works or to decide on LLC vs Sole Proprietor ownership (<--- Hot Topic). These are things that seem intimidating and halt the whole process but little by little hitting these topics on your way to finding and bidding and closing on the home helps immensely. 

    -Keep looking for what you don't know, this is probably good advice for any new skill/activity/business endeavor. 

    There's a lot more I'd love to say about all this so I'll leave it for questions/topics, whether it be the mortgage product (30 year fixed), ownership type (individual), analysis process, decision making, "why this and not that", I'd love to discuss it all. It will help review the process for myself and maybe help others understand how and why to do things a certain way. Thank you for reading and good luck!

    Which area did you end up purchasing in and can you share some of the numbers? I purchased three properties through Roofstock and one through Excalibur and Excalibur manages all four of them. While looking for properties with the aid of Excalibur I experienced horrendous inspections twice (I won't even consider a property now that has prior pending sales that fell through) and also experienced MLS properties being scooped up right after listing, even beating out my full price offers. Atlanta Metro is a sellers market and I think becoming more difficult for out of state buyers.

  • Dan MahoneyPro Member
    Financial Advisor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2016 · 256 posts · 350 votes
    8y

    @Jason Pennacchio Thanks for sharing this story.  I looked up your house on the county clerk's website.  I think you'll do fine on this one.  I don't think you should expect a lot of appreciation that far out in the suburbs but maybe I'll be wrong and you'll be pleasantly surprised.  The important thing is that you didn't pay a lot for the property, which limits your downside risk.  You have a good chance for positive cash flow if your manager maintains the properties well.  Congratulations on getting started.  I bet it was a bit nerve wracking when you hit the button to send the wire transfer for closing!

    @Jason G. Are you also buying in the Atlanta suburbs?

    I have a personal bias toward the City of Atlanta rather than the suburbs, but this would obviously fail your "good schools" criterion.  Wouldn't the same thing be true in NYC?

    The other comment I would add is that in today's market you have a much better chance at getting a good price on metro Atlanta investment properties with an all-cash offer.  Bidding on an investment property with a financing contingency and inspection contingency almost guarantees you'll pay the highest price.  I understand this may be unavoidable for some investors, but that's the state of the market here.  

  • Investor · Taylor Mill, KY · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 964 votes
    8y

    @Jason Pennacchio Congrats on the first deal!

  • Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2017 · 28 posts · 21 votes
    8y

    @Jason Gines purchased a 3 bed/2 bath split level 1800sqft home in Stone Mountain area for $101,000. School district not the best but neighborhood is rentable. I figure maybe up to $1050-$1100 rent, tenant paying less right now but pays on time, it still enough to have some cash flow while paying mortgage, taxes, ins and setting aside for vacancy, cap expenditures, and repairs. Did not have to put anything into it initally. I came to same conclusion, if house had deal fall through once, twice, 3x sometimes more, I think that's all I need to know to stay away, I was willing to renovate if need be but not rehab and most were not priced for complete rehab. People don't believe me due to inexperience but in November when I started looking Atlanta was more affordable even compared to now. That's why I adjusted strategy a little to buy a lower class home that would cash flow and fall under a more affordable rent than to hold out and pay a premium on the nicer better school district higher class homes, for that I'll wait for a downturn but I plan to move slow.

    @Dan Mahoney thanks for taking a look. I am expecting less appreciation however it seems even this property was closer than many others I looked at, I was originally planning on more metro locations but it does seem like NYC 30-40 mins or more is a norm for commuters in Atlanta. If Atlanta keeps going as it is though I think the growth will keep spreading further and further, and if not a cash flowing rentable house will hopefully be a reward in itself. 

    I'm sure cash would go further but I was unwilling to fork it all up at once, felt it could be used in better ways for the amount of time I'd be without it for what I'd save. (Perhaps with more experience though I would act differently, a topic to look into). As I previously said above I also found full price financed offers on the first day of listings for better class more profitable homes to fall short. I did offer shorter closings and a higher earnest deposit which I think is a great way to put you ahead of other financed offers (<--pro-tip) but this comes with slightly greater risk and I'd only advise if you have strong and almost guaranteed financing in place. 

    @Grant Rothenburger thank you, my numbers won't be exceptional, but it's a hurdle and takes guts to get started and in the game.

  • Dan MahoneyPro Member
    Financial Advisor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2016 · 256 posts · 350 votes
    8y

    @Jason Pennacchio On the cash offer point, you should look into Fannie Mae's Delayed Financing Exception.  You can buy the home in cash and then immediately mortgage it for 75% of what you paid (assuming it appraises at what you paid).  For the right kind of deal it's the best of both worlds.

  • Real Estate Broker · Marietta, GA · Member since 2014 · 135 posts · 105 votes
    8y

    @Jason Pennacchio

    Your post and replies are great advice. One part stood out to me and I think it's worth compounding on:

    "I found out a friend of mine was doing something similar. (I became discouraged to learn he was doing it a lot faster and with so far good results but have since realized his scale is different, as is his risk-tolerance and goals)."

    I'm glad that you found a friend who also was starting out in real estate and I'm THRILLED that you quickly learned that what works for him, isn't necessarily your Golden Ticket. I've met hundreds of Real Estate Investors, whether they called themselves that or not, and each has his or her own way of analyzing and buying deals. There isn't one single formula that anyone must follow. 

    Congratulations on your first deal and congratulations on shifting strategies mid-process to achieve your goals. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2015 · 295 posts · 117 votes
    8y

    Congrats on the first deal! I am an agent in Atlanta Georgia and I work with investors finding off market deals and discounted properties in and around atlanta. My firm closes over 40+ deals a month and we now have 2 offices in atlanta. The Atlanta market is hot and I would love to talk with anyone who is interested. 

  • Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2017 · 28 posts · 21 votes
    8y

    @Nick Fitzpatrick thanks for that perspective! I do believe it is hard to judge in the beginning whether or not I was in analysis paralysis or being properly diligent. There's a good point though I heard about when starting a new action keep in mind whether you're jumping off a curb or a cliff. Changing targets to a lower risk allowed me to take action where I might not have had the risk been higher. In the future I would be less unsure about greater risks, so you are very right.

    @Ethan Henning I will keep you in mind. As I mentioned I started focusing on Atlanta around late 2017, early 2018 and found each month the amount of deals were significantly diminishing. So it is necessary to be able to quickly locate profitable properties in climbing markets within an investor's strategy and I guess that is where you'd come in. Additionally since I purchased in Atlanta and returned to NY I feel like I've heard the city mentioned once every other day. I think the hot market status will continue after this national boom dies out.

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