Why I'm getting out of B&H, even though my returns are very good

Why I'm getting out of B&H, even though my returns are very good

Investor · Lancaster, PA · Member since 2014 · 53 posts · 60 votes

Sorry in advance for a long post; I want to write a detailed post on how I got started in RE investing a few years ago, the lessons I learned along the way, and why I'm thinking about stopping now. I want to be as specific as possible so that others can potentially use this post as they determine what is best for them.

I became an accidental landlord in 2014 and had to learn a lot of things the hard way. Fortunately, I found BP and got an amazing education. The learning curve was steep, but eventually things fell into place. What I realized was that my former home was not an ideal rental; I set about finding SFR's that would be better.

Over the next year, I checked on nearly every home in my area that was listed. I was looking at grade A townhouses in my local area. My goal was B&H for cashflow and high IRR. After running the numbers on dozens of potential deals, I ended up purchasing a nice townhouse for $110k, about 5-10% below market value. It needed some light rehab, and it really turned the place around. We got a great tenant who lived there for 2.5 years and there has been very little in the way of maintenance. It just turned around and we got another tenant that has been very good so far; there was only 10 days of vacancy in between.

So far, sounds like a success story, right?  Further, I have said that I love this rental unit and had been saying for years that I would gladly buy more just like this one if I could get a deal.  However, I just ran the numbers for 2.5 years:

Cash flow $5000

Principal paydown $3500

Net gains $8500 (excluding taxes and appreciation)

I compared this to what I would have gotten if I had invested the $29k in the stock market as a lump sum at the time of my investment:  $7500.  So for all the extra work - scouring deals, inspections, rehab, managing it myself, paperwork, etc -- I have gained an extra $1k - a terrible return on my time. If I had hired all of these activities out, it would put me significantly behind in terms of overall return.  More importantly, I have found owning the unit to be very stressful for me. Doing the work myself is difficult, and I don't have systems in place with people I trust to get things done.

If you add $10k in appreciation, the numbers look stellar. But that completely belittles the sheer number of hours that go into one unit. If the same amount of work went into a 10x larger investment, it would seem worth it. But because I am doing a lot of the work myself, the investment does not scale.

So the following lessons have been learned (at least in my case):

1. Know yourself, and be honest if things stress you out. I find being a landlord stressful, and more than anything, this is probably the biggest reason I'm probably going to be getting out of the SFR game. I spend too much mental energy on it.

2. Understand that some of the gains come at a cost - the cost of your own time.  This is opportunity cost. For me, I think I would have been much better off investing in truly passive vehicles and spending the time on my career or on earning more.

3. Make sure the extra gains from real estate are worth your time in absolute dollars. I love the idea of getting 25% returns YOY on my money.  However, this might result in only another couple thousand dollars, which at the end of the year does very little to move the needle for FI.

And lastly, how might things have been different (or who would have been better suited to SFR's than me):

1. If I was buying significantly below market value. These deals are tougher to come by today, and take even more time.

2. If I was able to not feel stressed about being a landlord.

3. If my opportunity cost of my time wasn't so high (my regular job does pay very well)

4. If I factored in the cost of management into all of my pro formas, and only did deals that still made sense with 3rd party management (Josh must have said this on every podcast and somehow it still didn't get through my skull!)

5. If I did not feel as comfortable with stocks as I do. I can accept historical 10% rates of return over the long haul; volatility bothers me much less than rental property headaches do.

I'd be remiss if I didn't say how extraordinarily helpful BP has been over the years. I think RE investing is a great thing; it turns out it just might not be the thing for me, and I'm okay with that.  My only hope with this post is to share my experience and why sometimes RE investing might not work out as you anticipate.  Acknowledging that for myself, I just sold one of my properties and will probably sell the other one within the next year.

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Anthony GaydenPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Omaha, NE · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
9y

@Michael L.

I'm not convinced. In fact I think you stated the solution to your problem in your post. Investing in single family homes is time intensive with less payoff for an individual property.

Why not then choose to invest in multifamily?

I'm sorry but there is not a stock on this planet that would have turned my initial $60,000 investment into $170,000 in three years and pay me $2000 worth of dividends every month like my two 4-plex properties.

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  • Tampa, FL · Member since 2017 · 240 posts · 153 votes
    9y

    i dont have much to add from now but this is one of the best posts ive read here since joining

  • Anthony GaydenPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Omaha, NE · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    9y

    @Michael L.

    I'm not convinced. In fact I think you stated the solution to your problem in your post. Investing in single family homes is time intensive with less payoff for an individual property.

    Why not then choose to invest in multifamily?

    I'm sorry but there is not a stock on this planet that would have turned my initial $60,000 investment into $170,000 in three years and pay me $2000 worth of dividends every month like my two 4-plex properties.

  • Rental Property Investor · Rockford, IL · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    @Michael L.,

    My biggest take away from your post is that you could still turn it around - just be willing to "buy your time back" by paying a property manager and restructure your business to work that way.

    My philosophy tends to trigger a lot of 911 calls for sudden cardiac issues: I can always get more money. Time? Not so much.

    My $0.02 ...

  • Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    9y

    A 3-yr time comparison to paper equities is tough. Why only count stock market appreciation and not a home? RE is not a short-term game.  

    Did you pay full market value for the houses, like you do for stocks?  

    Your property selection (nice primary residence and another A class rental) don't match a cash-flow driven goal.  Nobody buys A's for cash-flow.  Of course your cash-flow is horrible after only 3 yrs!    

    I don't buy A-class anything, but I do wholesale it.  B is the sweet spot.   C-class property in a B neighborhood gives you forced appreciation through value-add opportunities, especially in the multi-family space. 

    Add in off-market deals purchased below market value (try doing that with stocks), leverage and maybe even some sweet seller financing and you're talking.  Then compare! 

    I have mutual funds, stocks, etfs as well. I had to do a PFS for a refi last month. In the last 18 months, my net worth increased 50% through RE with no new purchases,  Stock returns were rounding errors nominally even with good returns.   I used to have more in stocks than RE.  Now the split is 94/6 to RE.  Guess which has grown more over time?

    But I'm 15 years in and debt is decreasing rapidly.  Compared to 7 years in (I used to tabulate net worth often), my net worth just doubled that number in only 18 months.  Try doing that with reasonable risk in stocks.   

    3yrs in (your comparison) things were much different and it would be disheartening for most everyone, especially doing an A-class cashflow eval. Factor in appreciation. Factor in leverage, tax benefits and being able to purchase below FMV, then compare. Cash-flow on an A-class vs stock market appreciation over 3 beginning little years isn't a fair fight.

  • Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    9y

    IMO you don't own enough real estate to make it worthwhile. There are other factors such as tax treatment. If you buy under market and 1031 out, you get FREE money. Also, stocks don't provide cash flow as RE does. The other factor is, stocks COULD drop significantly due to an unforeseen circumstance such as terrorism. Even if RE tanks, you can still get rental income and your losses are not locked in unless you sell. Last but not least, I believe in pursuing more than one RE investing avenue at the same time. This is why I do HML as well and buy and hold. One makes much better returns, and I use my 401K to shelter the income. The buy and hold gives me a great income stream every month allowing me the freedom of not needing a traditional 9-5. Last but not least, you generally cannot leverage your stock market purchases which allows you to control much more RE than actual cash invested.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    9y

    you are comparing your rental in a basically historic bull market.... and that's OK

    I totally agree with you.. Rentals are not the way to go if your only going to own one or two doors not enough velocity.

    the only way that works is like in Super appreciating areas like the West coast has been were 1 house the last 3 to 5 years might have risen 300 to 500k in value..  in a low or non appreciating market then your dead on.. waste of your time and resources.

    I always say if you cant get to 10 doors quickly or buy significantly under market as @Anthony Gayden alluded to.. fogetabout rentals..

    VAlue add would be better or some other investment vehicle.

  • Investor · Bethel, AK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 852 votes
    9y

    @Michael L. @Steve Vaughan@John Thedford  Michael both Steve and John are correct. You are comparing apples to oranges.  I have no Stock market knowledge what so ever, but I know you cannot buy stocks using leverage.  I also Know you could easily have little or no gain in a 3 year period.  I know the retirement funds my employer forces  me to contribute to have averaged 6% over the last 10 years.  My rentals are well over 10%.  The retirement placed in funds that are based on stocks.  My real estate holding's like Steve's have increased by leaps and bounds and some I have refinanced and withdrawn my original investment back out of, resulting in "Free properties"  This cash has then been used to purchase new properties, effectively doubling my net worth and income stream.  I guess you could compare it to a stock split. Paid for by my tenants.

      "A" properties are typically a gamble on appreciation and less a source of cash flow.  I buy in upper "c" or "B" areas.  These afford me the luxury of a property manager, and the ability to invest out of state.  A property manager would greatly lighten your work load, and maybe help brighten your attitude.  

    I guess what we are all saying here is If you don't like the results you need to change what you are doing.  Your post indicates you wish to get out.  That's one change that will give you a different result.  I am a lot older than you, and am enrolled in the school of "Hard Knocks" and have learned to Look at ALL options before I change course.  (The school of hard knocks by the way can cost as much as med school LOL)  I can promise you there are other courses of action that will change your real estate outcome.  

    I have a strong entrepreneurial drive.  This doesn't allow me to quit very easy.  where would we be if Edison would have given up on the light bulb?  when asked about it afterwards he said he didn't have any failures while trying to find a way to make a light bulb  He had however learned several thousand ways that a light bulb would not work.  RR

  • Rental Property Investor · Northern, CA · Member since 2012 · 5k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    9y

    @Michael L. Several other posters made good points above, but I think @Steve Vaughan really nailed it by pointing out that you bought A class properties and only waited 2.5 years to analyze your returns.  In my opinion, that's simply too short of a period of time for that particular asset class.  There are reasons people buy A class properties (i.e. appreciation, attract better tenants, usually easier to manage/maintain, etc).  However, achieving the highest possible cashflow usually isn't one of these reasons.  If that's your primary goal, you'd be better suited to investing in B or C class properties.

    But in the end, it sounds like you put a lot of thought into it and if you aren't happy doing what you're doing, or you're not getting the returns that you want, than I agree with you that you shouldn't do it. 

    Good post.

  • Investor · Fort Walton Beach, FL · Member since 2015 · 568 posts · 966 votes
    9y

    @Michael L. Thank you for sharing. I think this is something people don't think much about. Sometimes they concentrate too much on numbers and returns and forget how much their effort and more importantly time is worth. We can always acquire more resources / money. Time is the only thing we can't make more of after we've allocated it. 

    Thank you for being honest. It sounds like the single SFRs aren't for you right now. But there are other ways you can invest in real estate. Lending, investing in multifamily syndications, etc., might be a better fit for you. They are more like the stock market in the sense that after you vet what / who you are investing in, it is mostly passive. 

  • Joel OwensBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    9y

    Yep many people do not understand how much of a PITA it can be for a residential buy and hold landlord . You need to compensate for having a property manager. Investors often say they can do without one and massage the numbers to buy something. Later on they are stuck. Stay miserable being the manager themselves or pay someone when they money is not there because they did not properly evaluate the property to begin with. Same thing with capital costs. A buyer should know the life expectancy of every major item on the property they want to buy. Something going out in the next few years or reaching the end of the life expectancy a buyer should get a credit from the seller before closing.

    Another item is the landlord tenant laws of a state. If it is very tenant friendly and it takes you 3 to 6 months to get a non-paying tenant out versus 30 days that can heavily affect your bottom line.

    I like the 4 pillars for real estate. Tax depreciation, principal pay down, appreciation (hopefully), mortgage interest deduction. Also hopefully annual rental increases to keep up with or outpace inflation.

    I do not enjoy SFR which is why i do commercial. I do not like all the excuses from residential tenants. You can still look at doing SFR just fix and flip, tax deeds, HML lender, owning the notes,etc. Lot's of ways to not be the actual landlord and listening to tenant BS all the time.

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    9y
    You can always look backwards and say "if I would have bought .... instead!" Personally there is nothing I could have done 10 years ago to build the same equity and massive cash flow machine I have today with multifamily. Even if I put it in stocks sure I might have almost the equity (if I could look back 10 years and plow it into whatever went up the most, maybe more) but that still wouldn't give me the INCOME I have today from what I built with RE I can't think of anything that matches RE for wealth and income generation.
  • Flipper/Rehabber · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 732 votes
    9y
    I think many of the posters have brought up good points . The ability to use leverage in real estate is huge . Real estate being "inefficient" and being able to buy under market value is another huge pro to real estate . Tax advantages can be great too . Also unless you are investing in an index fund investing in the stock market can be pretty time consuming . Reading stock market news or watching CNBC , reading annual reports etc . I've just seen too many people that have been able to succeed and gain financial independent and retire early or chose to retire early from real estate . Many of the people on this forum and on the BP podcast. I practically never hear the same about people retiring early in the stock market also if they do it seems like they a in high paying jobs practicing extreme frugality to build a big enough stock portfolio and then being frugal and living off 4% of their portfolio or something . I know there are some different blogs out there in the personal finance realm of people that have done this . You mention that your results were mediocre but look at all the people that have been financially devastated investing in certain stocks or funds. I feel like the stock market is a better tool for preserving wealth once one is already wealthy rather than someone trying to actually create wealth relatively quickly with a modest starting capital . But even then there are more passive strategies in real estate such as NNN buildings or hard/private money lending that seem more appealing than an index fund with more control and less exposure to random outside forces like one has in the stock market .
  • Rental Property Investor · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2016 · 396 posts · 995 votes
    9y

    @Michael L.

    It sounds to me like this isn't a matter about which venue will make you more money, but rather about stress and time.  Some people have a different stress threshold than others, and if it is causing you more harm then good, then it is time to get out, regardless of what the numbers say.

    However I would like to refocus a moment and examine a few points.  First is about the stress itself.  Being a first time landlord can be stressful.  You need to familiarize yourself with contract law, tenant screening processes, collection methods, and a slew of other things.  This can seem overwhelming at first, but once you do it a few times, the amount of time required to perform these tasks drops significantly.  Now it should only take a couple of hours to properly screen a tenant, show them the property, and sign the contracts.  additionally, in an "A" class neighborhood you should have very little if any problems with the tenant, such that after the initial papers are signed, you might get one or two phone calls during the next year from your tenant.  Figuring out what you need to do to manage that first property, is likely more stressful than managing the next 20 units once you know what it is that you're doing.

    My second point is about the money.  If you are going to compare returns, then you need to account for everything, otherwise the comparison automatically fails.  This includes the items that you left out such as taxes, and appreciation.  You could have depreciated that property by roughly 9k during those 2.5 years, which at a hypothetical 20% income tax bracket saved you 1800, plus the 10k appreciation.  So now your returns become 5+3.5+10+1.8 = 20.3k, which translates into a 23.6% annualized return on your original 29k.  Additionally now that you are a business owner, many items can now be turned into tax deductions. 

    Finally the S&P 500 averages are much closer to 7%, than they are to your claimed 10%.  You mention that you are familiar with the stock market, and if that is genuinely the case, then you know that only idiots think that they can actually beat the stock market average returns over the long term.  If we assume the more appropriate 7%, then RE is over triple your rate of return.  A 2.5year span is a very short timeframe, however I'm sure you can appreciate the astronomical difference that obtaining triple the returns over a long period of time will do to the final number when it comes time to retire.

  • Investor · Willow Spring, NC · Member since 2009 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    9y

    Regarding "I'm sorry but there is not a stock on this planet that would have turned my initial $60,000 investment into $170,000 in three years and pay me $2000 worth of dividends every month like my two 4-plex properties."

    Absolutely correct. Dividends are paid quarterly.

    In the stock market, if your investment doubles they call it a 2-bagger. Goes up 5 fold... 5-bagger. I bought CREE in 1994. I invested about $4,200 and in 1999 sold for over $60,000. I am a dummy. I didn't even add to the position. Yet I made $55,800. I exaggerate. I paid $9 in transaction fees. $55,782. 1300%+ return.

    I've had 4 10+-baggers and 8 4-baggers. All CAN-SLIM and IBD inspired investments. And like Steven I am (still) weighted heavily to RE today. Motivation: cash flow, tax planning, appreciation. That order.

    In the following chart, it's clear that as part of a balanced portfolio (thanks to my 'senior' LLC members for the insight) having at least a partial investment in the S&P ETF would be a good long term investment choice/vehicle.

  • Investor · Lancaster, PA · Member since 2014 · 53 posts · 60 votes
    9y

    Thanks to everyone for their replies. I just thought I would provide a couple of clarifications:

    -As several have noted, this is a decision centered on time and stress. I am not claiming SFR B&H investing does not work. My numbers show that it does, even without factoring taxes and appreciation. Even if I didn't pivot, I think that continuing on this path would produce excellent wealth.

    -Many have suggested other routes (besides SFR). I think these will be in my future. I would love to hold larger scale commercial real estate and plan to in the future. Lending could be an option as well.

    -Not sure why 10% in the stock market is criticized here; that is the historical S&P500 return with dividends reinvested. What is not factored in for many of the calculations above are both time involved for real estate deals and significant transaction costs that can erode profits significantly.

    -Taxes delayed are not always delayed forever; I'm not going to bother with a 1031 for a $10k capital gain and depreciation will have to be recaptured.

    Finally, I will say that it does scare me a little bit the way I hear people talking on the forums; we are on an unbelievable 10 year bull run on the real estate market, and some are commenting like the market can never go down, property will never be sold for less than it's purchased for, and leverage is always a good thing.  Obviously time will tell but it's easy to be lulled into feeling this way when things have been so good. This is probably another topic entirely, but something that strikes me as concerning.

    I do appreciate all of the support and suggestions here. As usual, most of the feedback is spot on and has given me a lot to consider. 

  • Investor · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2015 · 504 posts · 217 votes
    9y

    I am about to make around 42k after taxes on a vacant lot bought from Lands available list post tax deed auction. Paid $7600.00 4/5/17 I got an offer for 65k yesterday, still working out contract terms. The only work was research and paper work and filing quiet title suit. NOrehab, no tenants, no toilets,,,Just a great vacant lot in a great area.

  • Investor · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2015 · 504 posts · 217 votes
    9y

    It is because of Real Estate investing that we have some paid off properties that paid for themselves and are still earning an income. Perhaps one condo or town house is not a great example for you to determine future endeavors. Real Estate is multi faceted. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water just yet. 

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 732 votes
    9y

    @Michael L. , I am not one that thinks real estate will never go down. I've seen it happen. Luckily I wasn't holding property at the time but I know it affected a lot of people. In my local area at least prices are at or back to the peaks in most areas though. If one was holding that whole time and renting rents have also skyrocketed here locally too. So despite buying at the time they would still be way ahead if they held. 

    The same can't be said for those that had invested in stocks that are now bankrupt and delisted. 

    I was invested in the past couple of years in an oil ETF issued by credit suisse and out of the blue they just decided to delist it. Lost several thousand on that. 

    That type of thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth in regards to the stock market.

    Too many times i've seen shareholders just wiped out like that even investing in or with a supposedly stable company. 

    At least in real estate there is an opportunity to turn a bad situation around..multiple exit strategies.

    You mentioned a 10 year bull run in real estate. At least in CA the market didn't really recover and go positive until about 2013 or so. 

  • Investor · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2015 · 504 posts · 217 votes
    9y

    If you buy right, the fluctuations in the market do not effect you. For me, Tax deed or more often, Lands Available lists post tax deed auction is a method of buying right. Fortunately for us, we live in Jacksonville Florida which has 30 residential zip codes & online only tax deed auctions. This makes for huge post auction lands available lists....Cert Holder winners who are not local will, more often than not, forfeit to Lands available lists knowing an investor will buy the property over the counter from the tax deed office & the cert holder winner will get his investment back plus 18% ( in Florida). There are more contributing factors as to why property goes to County Lands available lists. It would take a short novel to explain that & why I am hooked!

  • Investor · CT · Member since 2017 · 165 posts · 75 votes
    9y

    @Michael L. thank you for sharing your perspective.  It sounds like you've had a rough ride and your heart wasn't in it to begin with, a reason why so many don't venture into real estate or want to become a landlord, I hear it all the time.  If you make a great salary and don't need the headaches of real estate, you are blessed.  I truly believe that you can be completely hands free of real estate and still invest if you have the right people you can trust, another headache in itself finding the right people, but just like starting any company, once you find the right people it makes everything easier.  Best of luck to you.  

  • Tacoma, WA · Member since 2014 · 78 posts · 92 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Chris Martin:

    Regarding "I'm sorry but there is not a stock on this planet that would have turned my initial $60,000 investment into $170,000 in three years and pay me $2000 worth of dividends every month like my two 4-plex properties."

    Absolutely correct. Dividends are paid quarterly.


    FYI, there are actually hundreds of stocks that payout monthly dividends (a big portion of them are REITs)

    The most well known and consistent being Realty Income (NYSE:O)

    For the last 23 yrs (1994 IPO) Realty Income's total return (dividends plus share price growth) has averaged around 16.4%.  That is completely passive income without any landlord headaches or problems.  

    In 2016 they surpassed $1.0 billion in rental revenue.

  • Laguna Niguel, CA · Member since 2012 · 122 posts · 58 votes
    9y

    Everyone should just reference a basic domestic index fund for the purposes of this discussion and general real estate averages.  It's point less to cherry pick specific examples to make a case for either investment route.  RE requires much more time, research, effort and luck.  Investing in index funds is dummy proof and takes no skill or effort.  If you invested in index funds at any point in time in the past, you would be positive today.  Now the same can't be said about RE...  

  • Rock Hill, SC · Member since 2015 · 104 posts · 209 votes
    9y

    I just want to point out two things. 

    1. You can use leverage in the stock market. It was said a few times that RE is advantageous because of leverage. You can use margin when buying stocks which is leverage. 

    2. People are saying you can buy RE at a discount. You can do the same with stocks when they miss earnings and a stock tanks or in a recession when stocks are 50% off. 

    I'm not saying one investment is better than another but RE and stocks are similar in those two ways. 

    To the original poster, do what you enjoy in investing and the money will follow. Life is too short to be miserable. 

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    Investor · Thermopolis, WY · Member since 2012 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    9y

    @Michael L., at the end of the day you must do what is right for you.  Being a real estate investor is not for everyone.  I think what got a lot of responses was when you suggested the extra money over investing in stock was not worth the headache and work you put into your real estate investing.  There are a lot of moving parts.  While you have mastered a lot already, only you can decide what is best for you.  I have looked at a few of my properties and none of them look dazzling, but overall,  real estate has built more wealth than my day job that pays pretty well.  My real estate holdings are way more than 10X my annual salary when I started investing.  Now my annual income has gone up a lot, and real estate is not as hot as it has historically been in my area.  I have money in the stock market as well, and it is doing well.  There is absolutely no way my stock investments will ever replace my day job income.  It is possible my real estate will be able to replace my day job income as properties pay off their mortgages.  Now in fairness, I have never pulled money out of my rentals, so of course they grew more rapidly.  If I could have saved all of my day job income I would be in pretty good shape too.  The thing I like best about real estate is that there are months when I do very little in it, and it makes the same amount of money.  I would guess I get at least $3K of interest pay down every month from paying mortgages.  That amount goes up every month as payments are more principal than interest the older a mortgage gets.  I also dislike the months I work 20 hours every weekend on my rentals, and cannot get anyone hired to do any basic work.  I also have 6 units open this month which is the most I can ever recall having.  Of course I have been so busy fixing up one property I have not devoted the time I should to trying to rent my other ones.

    Real estate ebbs and flows like stocks do.

    All paths have ups and downs, I wish you luck which ever path you take and hope it is a pleasant path.

  • Investor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2015 · 6k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    @Michael L., in your opening post you mentioned your search for "high IRR" (ie. INCLUDING future appreciation). Then in your next post, you're suggesting that even though you paid perhaps 10% under-market at the start, you're "not going to bother with a 1031 for a $10k capital gain"? Does this mean you were WRONG about your IRR assumptions?

    Or, have you forgotten to work out what its REAL appreciation has been over the last 2.5* years? All the best...

    * [I agree with those who pointed out that 2.5 years is far too short a time to be able to use statistical arguments].

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