What to do when an appraisal comes back low when selling!!??

What to do when an appraisal comes back low when selling!!??

Dan BeaulieuPro Member
Lender · Knoxville, Tennessee (TN) · Member since 2016 · 422 posts · 667 votes

Hi everybody and thanks in advance for answering my question! I have 24 hours to respond to the buyers so I hope somebody will provide me with some direction. I recently listed a rehabbed property for sale at 539,000. I had multiple offers ranging from 545,000 to 550,000 in the first 24 hours! I locked up an offer for 545,000 that could close in 3 weeks, and put two offers for 550,000 in backup position. The inspection went well, but the appraisal came back at only 515,000!!! The property is really unique and is hard to put a solid value on... but we went to the appraiser and said hey, here are multiple offers for 550,000 so that's what the market says the property is worth! Well, that didn't work very well obviously. So the buyers said they will come up with a cash difference but only up to 534,000 purchase price. There is 12 days until closing now. 

Do I say no way Jose and go with the backup offers, essentially starting a 30 day closing clock over, and risk the inspection not going as well and possibly another low appraisal? Or do I just take the very small profit at 534,000 and try not to be greedy? To wait an other month for an extra 15g when I have a guaranteed pay day in 12 days... (oh, and my holding costs are astronomical at 3,600 per month!)

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Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
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Originally posted by @Brian Garrett:
Originally posted by @Russell Brazil:

Sounds like your agent dropped the ball here by either not knowing how to work with the appraiser or not understanding the comps. Or if you were selling it fsbo, this illustrates the most important job the listing agent has on a flip, getting the property to appraise.

Assuming ones due diligence was spot on in terms of comps and listing price, how would one do better at "getting the property to appraise" if that is out of their control? Thanks Russell.

 Its largely out of the control of an individual seller.....but not out of control of an agent.  If the appraiser that is assigned is known to be difficult, the agent should get a new appraiser assigned first off.  Then the agent should be supplying comps to the appraiser to justify the price and should be able to communicate with the appraiser the value of certain items, and understand what items add value or take away value on an appraisal as opposed to in the market. This means the agent should know that a bathroom adds $X in value in a certain neighborhood or a garage adds $Y in value in a different neighborhood. They should be able to communicate the difference in the condition scale as well as the quality of construction scale.

Those are a few thoughts off the top of my head. Working with the appraiser is a skill, but not one everyone has. If someone has sold many houses its hopefully a skill they have honed over the years, and when thats happened you wont have problem getting a house to appraise.

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  • Dan BeaulieuPro Member
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    Lender · Knoxville, Tennessee (TN) · Member since 2016 · 422 posts · 667 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Dan Bryskin:

    @Dan Beaulieu

    1. I'd take a reduced price, but you have a couple of option

    2. You can request / offer to pay for another appraisal. You stand to loose a few hundred dollars but may gain more.

    3. Carefully look at existing appraisal. I had appraisers miss 500 finished square feet before, ignore 10s of thousands of dollars worth of updates and what not. I almost always provide them with my own comps. I think appraisals are too important to be left to chance, I always walk through the house with the appraiser, comps in hand, list of improvements / cost typed, pointing out everything.

    4. Consider sending appraiser an e-mail listing what he missed, state a reasons why you think appraisal could / should be higher

    Good luck

     Great advice! Thank you

  • Ryan SaullePro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Rahway, NJ · Member since 2017 · 137 posts · 123 votes
    9y

    @Russell Brazil hmm did not know this! Great info here.

    So If you have an offer of 545K in contract, then it gets appraised for 515K, the buyer can change that 545K offer even though its in contract? If so, your losing that money plus paying your REA 20K+ fee for selling the house even though he/she failed to get it appraised for anywhere near what you think / the comps say its worth?

  • Dan BeaulieuPro Member
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    Lender · Knoxville, Tennessee (TN) · Member since 2016 · 422 posts · 667 votes
    9y

    @Ryan Saulle my agent paid for staging, pro photography, sent an email to 5,000 other agents, marketed the property on social media, had buyers lined up before it even hit the market. That's where she added value. I'm glad to pay her $10,600 (2% of the 5% commissions go to her) for selling a property quickly for more than it was worth! 

    So we did an addendum to the original contract that adjusted the purchase price to $536,000, and that's the final number and will close next week. They had to come up with an extra 21K cash and apparently they are having a hard time scraping that together. 

    Who is seriously buying retail homes in this market?!!!?

  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
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    @Ryan Saulle The buyer cant change the price, but in most cases can request the seller reduce the price, rengeotiate the price or opt out of the contract entirely. If the appraisal is an FHA, then that appraisal attaches to the property, thus limiting the sellers options. At that price point it is unlikely to be an FHA, but thats a real concern in the under $425k price range.

  • Vendor · loganville, GA · Member since 2017 · 54 posts · 22 votes
    9y

    Don't panic if the appraisal comes in low. It's tough to remain calm when it appears the pending sale will fall apart, but both parties have options:

    • Buyer can make up the difference in cash.

      The lender cares about the appraisal only to the extent it affects the loan-to-value ratio. A low appraisal does not mean the lender won't lend. It means the lender will make a loan based on the ratio agreed to in the contract at the appraised value. Sometimes the buyer's lender will not allow the buyer to give cash for the difference and, in that event, have the buyer pay instead some of the seller's closing costs.

    • The seller can lower the price.

      If the home was overpriced or the value was inflated, often this is the best solution. It makes the buyer happy and the lender is satisfied. There is no guarantee that if the buyer walks away, the seller won't receive a low appraisal from the second buyer's lender, not to mention the time and trouble it takes to sell the property again. Sometimes a bird in the hand is best.

    • The seller can offer to carry a second mortgage for the difference.

      If the buyer really wants the home but cannot come up with the difference in cash, making payments or a lump sum payment at a later date to the seller is an option. After the escrow closes, sellers often retain the right to discount the second mortgage, sell it for less than face value to an investor.

    • Order a second appraisal.

      First, if your loan is an FHA loan, ask the lender for a list of approved appraisers. Either the seller or the buyer can pay for the second appraisal. Sometimes the second appraisal will come in higher than the first, especially if the first appraiser was inexperienced or made mistakes.

      If your loan is a conventional loan, then it is subject to the rules of the home valuation code   Barb Torres, an accredited senior appraiser says, "As soon as the parties find an appraiser is coming out who is not familiar with the local market, they have every right to contact the lender (preferably in writing) to DEMAND a local appraiser be used."


    • Ask the agents involved to put together a list of recent comparable sales that justify the agreed-to sales price. Submit that list to the underwriter and ask for a review of the appraisal. Try to use comps closer to the subject property than the comps used by the appraiser.

    • Also, ask the agents to call the listing agents of pending sales to try to find out the actual sales price of those properties. Listing agents do not have to disclose the sales price, but many are happy to help out because they could find themselves in the same situation. You can always ask if the agent thinks your price will appraise if the agent refuses to divulge the pending price.
    • Compromise on the value. Sometimes sellers will back off a little bit on the buyer paying the entire difference and will settle somewhere between a full cash contribution and completely lowering the price. Regarding a difference of say, $10,000, a seller might agree to accept $5,000 in cash and lower the price by $5,000.
    • Cancel the transaction.

      Many  purchase contract contain a  loan contingency  . If the appraisal comes in low, the buyer does not qualify to buy the property at the agreed-to terms in the contract. A properly written loan contingency allows the buyer to cancel the contract and requires the seller to release the buyer's Ernest money deposit

    • Likewise, the seller might sell for more by putting the home back on the market and looking for a new buyer. As long as the low appraisal was not FHA, the new appraisal could be very different. FHA appraisals are assigned a case number so if the first buyer was FHA and the second buyer was FHA, the same appraisal would be used.
  • Lender · Dallas, TX · Member since 2017 · 50 posts · 27 votes
    9y

    You never go broke making a profit no matter how big or how small.  But the buyer could ask the appraiser to consider an adjustment if you have solid data that wasn't considered that should/ could have been.  The other option would be to have the buyer request a new appraisal.  It will delay the closing and be at the cost of a second appraisal with no guarantee that the second appraisal will come in higher than the original.  Best of Luck either way.   

  • Real Estate Investor · Palm Beach County, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Deanna McCormick:

    @Brian Garrett

    Yes my agent was over compensated in my opinion she should have had done better comp work on listing price or counseled me on having appraised first before setting a listing price.. If I had done a appraisal myself for about 350.00 I would not have had to disclose that to any buyer, the property would have been probably listed at a more correct listing rate, and I would have had multiple offers to chose from. I had only been on market for 10 days before accepting the offer I got and I felt undercut by the deal but I needed to sell and going back on market 20 days after their stupid appraiser finally submitted his numbers I wasn't in a prime position as when I had first listed to start over again and put it back on the market. 

     Makes sense. Oh well at least you're out of that deal and onto the next one!

  • Real Estate Investor · Palm Beach County, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Russell Brazil:

    @Ryan Saulle The buyer cant change the price, but in most cases can request the seller reduce the price, rengeotiate the price or opt out of the contract entirely. If the appraisal is an FHA, then that appraisal attaches to the property, thus limiting the sellers options. At that price point it is unlikely to be an FHA, but thats a real concern in the under $425k price range.

    So if a buyer is going through FHA on a property you are selling and they get their appraisal done and it comes back way lower than the comps suggest it is worth you are then stuck with that appraisal for a minimum of 6 months and have to use it for any future buyers assuming the original one backed out due to the low appraisal? That low appraisal would only affect other FHA buyers or ALL buyers (besides cash) would have to have their lenders use that same appraisal?

  • Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    You are stuck with that appraisal for any FHA purchase, not other types of purchases, you would be required to disclose the appraisal I believe for several months..

  • Real Estate Agent · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    Is there a finance contingency?  Did they give you a deposit?  If they do not purchase the house, they are at risk of losing their deposit. 

    There is also an argument for taking the money and moving on.  Chasing the last dollar is the most expense.

  • Vendor · loganville, GA · Member since 2017 · 54 posts · 22 votes
    9y

    they are at risk of losing their deposit. 

  • Investor · Union, NJ · Member since 2011 · 838 posts · 295 votes
    9y

    Not sure why people keep referencing the relationship between the appraiser and the Realtor...Here in NJ there is no relationship, the Appraiser works for and is hired by the lender/bank.. Sure the Realtor may be a liaison between the two parties and they may interact but in no way shape or form do the two work for one another....

    Appraisers in this environment seem to error on the side of caution based on what happened in the past it seems...

    As a result unique properties end up suffering because the value isn't in black and white and the appraisers aren't as creative/adventurous as they once were in a different era..

    Good luck but I agree with the majority, if you still have a healthy profit go for it as if you roll the dice the appraisal may even come in lower next time..

    best,

    Chris

  • Investor · McDonough, GA · Member since 2017 · 1 post · 0 votes
    9y

    Daniel, my suggestion may have already been statedm so in the interest of time I skipped most of them.  If you have an opportunity to review the other offers and you find one that is not contingent upon the appraisal I would also ensure there were no other contingencies, cancel escrow, and pursue that offer.  If you need results immediately, continue the current transaction as there are no guarantees any following offers would conclude.

  • Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2016 · 213 posts · 60 votes
    9y

    @Dan Beaulieu

    Coming late to the thread

    I would try and negotiate little more out of them and if there is none left,

    I would make a quick call to the back up offers explain the situation and see if they are all cash if yes, have them do a 15-20 day close then you are net 2-5 days not a full 30. Let them know about the appraisal issue. If they can close in 15 days you will give them a $5k discount. Let them know the inspection is clean. 

    If the back ups are not willing to move faster and there is no money left in with the current buyer, maybe ask the buyer to pay your side of the closing cost. 

    my guess is the current buyer have another $5k in the bank to give. 

    you should be able to get this all done and make a decision in a matter of a few hours. 

  • Dan BeaulieuPro Member
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    Lender · Knoxville, Tennessee (TN) · Member since 2016 · 422 posts · 667 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Derrick Aragon:

    @Dan Beaulieu

    Coming late to the thread

    I would try and negotiate little more out of them and if there is none left,

    I would make a quick call to the back up offers explain the situation and see if they are all cash if yes, have them do a 15-20 day close then you are net 2-5 days not a full 30. Let them know about the appraisal issue. If they can close in 15 days you will give them a $5k discount. Let them know the inspection is clean. 

    If the back ups are not willing to move faster and there is no money left in with the current buyer, maybe ask the buyer to pay your side of the closing cost. 

    my guess is the current buyer have another $5k in the bank to give. 

    you should be able to get this all done and make a decision in a matter of a few hours. 

    Thank you! Of course we look into the financial aspect of every offer before accepting it. If any were all cash, they would definitely be in the first position! Closing dates on the backup offers are all 30 days out. Dates, financing, all go on the standard state REPC. 

    I definitely like what you said about trying to squeeze more out of them. We were able to do that, and get an addendum for 536000 for a purchase price. Every little bit matters! 

  • Lending Partner · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2010 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    9y
    Well first and foremost it's illegal for an agent or anyone else to coerce an appraiser for a higher value so don't waste your energy on that trail. Secondly propose a seller held second mortgage for the 11k, take the cash at closing plus the 515k from the lender. If the buyer says no, then close at 534. You get rich off of volume, not on one deal.
  • Rental Property Investor · Moreland Georgia · Member since 2015 · 43 posts · 12 votes
    9y
    BP podcast 007 talked a lot about that and had good ideas. It will be worth a listen.
  • Investor · Vacaville, CA · Member since 2016 · 433 posts · 249 votes
    9y

    It's pretty crazy when you have THREE offers in the $545-550 range. Pretty clear THAT is the real value!  That really sucks the appraiser is not able to use those numbers and/or can't figure out a way to support the real value.  I have always heard appraisers look in the past not the future. 

  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    9y

    For everyone who thinks that the appraisal is a completely independent  process, you should familiarize yourself with the Dodd/Frank exceptions to the appraisal independence. The law states what those exemptions are very clearly ie. agent providing substation of values.  Everyone sees appraisal Independence in the law and the laymen doesnt go on to read the exemption subsection, nor understand even what those exemptions mean.

  • Real Estate Attorney · Manhattan, NY · Member since 2014 · 129 posts · 106 votes
    9y
    1) take the $534k and close fast 2) offer to carry the difference even at a 4% interest 3) split the difference with the buyer between the $545k and $534k by asking them to pay a bit more and tell them if not you would talk to the other buyers (show then the other higher offers) 4) get another appraisal Btw the gentleman who mentioned the "value of having an agent on a flip" maybe has ways to legally show better comps etc - so just pull better comps for the market or talk about the trend etc with these buyers - meaning do a bit of selling I seldom if ever list with an agent to flip - the savings on this deal are close to $15k and you still have an offer over appraiser value (even if an agent would've gotten you the extra $9k it would cost you a commission of $15k) .... I do however work with buyers' agents at times and it is a much better position to be in because they usually work for me and convince the buyer to pay the highest price
  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 745 votes
    9y

    I know quite a few others have made similar comments, but sounds like you are at the 334K, stay with the sellers who are willing to work with you. 

    Your agent should have been able to work with the appraiser to provide comps, lists of updates etc that helped to justify the comp.

    End of the day, you might as well get the deal done.

  • Johnson City, TN · Member since 2014 · 586 posts · 705 votes
    9y

    Perhaps appraisers need to be done away with because they are obviously incompetent without the guidance of a realtor.

  • Real Estate Broker · Conroe, TX · Member since 2012 · 165 posts · 46 votes
    9y

    @Dan Beaulieu, sounds like you may have made your decision, but at least for next time I would reach out to the backup offers and ask them to include in their offer that they will pay the $550k regardless of appraisal value. 

  • Investor · Piscataway, NJ · Member since 2016 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    9y

    Daniel

    I have had the same situation and depending upon the buyer's emotional attachment to the property, I hung to my asking little over the appraised value. The property sold. In case of fix and flips, I would take the bird in hand and run. Fixed daily costs are pulling you down faster than you realize.

  • Dan BeaulieuPro Member
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    Lender · Knoxville, Tennessee (TN) · Member since 2016 · 422 posts · 667 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Eric Thomson:

    @Dan Beaulieu, sounds like you may have made your decision, but at least for next time I would reach out to the backup offers and ask them to include in their offer that they will pay the $550k regardless of appraisal value. 

     That's a really good idea. I should have reached out to the backup offers and asked if they would waive their appraisal contingency. Spot on! 

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