Looking for deal analysis on 1987 MH, mkt 15,300, asking 17K

Looking for deal analysis on 1987 MH, mkt 15,300, asking 17K

Realtor · Bedford, TX · Member since 2015 · 172 posts · 55 votes

The deal:

1987 Oak Creek 3/2, ~1300 sf double wide.  Market value is $15,300, seller asking $17K as her lowest cash price.  Purchased six years ago for $26K.  She claims it is very well kept, six year old roof, everything in working order except the carpet.

I'm going to see it tomorrow with my friend who will be translating from English to Spanish for me and vice versa for the seller.  Seller still lives in the home thus, may not be very motivated to sell at the moment.  She knows that another month's lot rent and a year's worth of taxes are coming up, however.

I'll be walking around looking at the home as meticulously as I can and making my notes (idea taken from Michael Quarels) to have some room to negotiate.  I think $10K is the highest I can go.  The only thing I'd have to replace (according to the seller) is the carpet.  So I might be in for $12000 after advertising, lot rent, and 2016 taxes (assuming I sell before Feb 1st).  There was a 3/2 ~1300 sf 2000 AM Homestar Galaxy on the same street that sold for $35K.  I know this is a comp in size and number of beds and baths only, not year/make/model.  However, if I am in for $12K, would it be silly of me to think that I could sell it for $22K?  What would the deal be structured like for seller financing?  This is my most critical area of weakness.

This will be my first offer face to face with the seller.  I have established a good rapport with the park manager.  She told me today that she would let me have "first dibs" on good deals that come along.  When I drove around the other day, I brought her some addresses of run down homes.  She and I went over the addresses together today and she let me know which ones were being rehabbed and which ones still had residents.  Before I left, I gave her a $20 Panera gift card for being so wonderful thus far.

I feel like this is a very good relationship to have and even if a deal falls through, I can keep facilitating my relationship with her and the park.  She asked for business cards and flyers so she could let the residents know that I exist and am willing to help people out.

The deal I'm REALLY waiting for is on the same street as the two aforementioned properties, its a 2/1 1983 Zimmer Windsor (14'X66').  I've posted about this one here before.  Owner has expressed interest to Park Manager about selling for $4,000, owes up to $700 on back taxes but has no lien against the property.  HVAC system needs to be replaced.  I'm sure some other stuff needs to be taken care of as well.

Her phone number is not working and no one can get in touch with her right now.  My initial plan for negotiations is to find out more about where she plans to move and how much her expenses will be to relocate.  I will offer her that much in cash for her mobile home.  Almost a cash for keys situation. My max is $1500  I know that she'll be owing another month in lot rent on December 1st ($405) and then will have another ~$300 in taxes billed in January.  She is most likely the most motivated seller that I've come upon and the numbers are good.

Would you agree with this approach or do you have a different suggestion?

By the way, I know I write a lot in my posts.  Thanks for taking the time to help a new person out.  I know I'll be able to contribute like some of you do, one of these days.  My goal is to have my first deal done by the year's end.

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Landlord · Port Orchard, WA · Member since 2015 · 80 posts · 39 votes
10y

You should not be looking for mobile homes, you should be looking for motivated sellers. If you really want a particular deal, but you want to pay less (10k vs 17k), show up with the cash in hand, and plop it in the table. All 100s. Boom. 

Might change their motivation level. 

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  • Coach, Mobile Home, Note Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2015 · 29 posts · 8 votes
    10y
    I would ask John Fedro! He is in TX and is a mobile home expert. He is here on BP so hit him up. Good luck. And anything further feel free to reach out to me for anything as well!
  • Realtor · Bedford, TX · Member since 2015 · 172 posts · 55 votes
    10y

    I'm looking into doing his course so I'll have the fast track to much of this information without all the bobbing and weaving we can get caught up in on the internet.  I know that there are plenty of experts out there who can also weigh in (and have on several of my posts). 

    Thanks for your reply.

  • Investor · Columbus, MT · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    @Ashley Wolfe I'm a bit confused. You say the market value of the first home is 15,300 but you are hoping to sell it for 22,000? If you can sell it for that much then that is the market value of the home.   Are you doing any updates? 

  • Realtor · Bedford, TX · Member since 2015 · 172 posts · 55 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Joshua D.:

    @Ashley Wolfe I'm a bit confused. You say the market value of the first home is 15,300 but you are hoping to sell it for 22,000? If you can sell it for that much then that is the market value of the home.   Are you doing any updates? 

    I was basing that number on the other home on the same street that sold for $35K.  I'd be putting in new flooring (taking out all carpets) and doing other updates according to what I find tomorrow when I walk through the property.  But, you're right.  I was throwing that number out there.  However, the 2015 market value on the 3/2 that sold down the street for $35K is $23,500.  Am I still out in left field?  I really do need to know if I'm just being silly or if I'm getting close.  Like I said, I'm completely inexperienced so your questions really help me stop and think of the situation better.  Thank you.

  • Real Estate Broker · Pasco, WA · Member since 2013 · 126 posts · 53 votes
    10y

    Ashley, 

    You're on the right track. In order to succeed you have to do the right activities. You've prospected and now you're going to make an offer. Start low. Stick to your 10k number. You can always call back and offer more later right? Here's what's going to happen; you're going to go in there and look at the home as objectively as you can. You're going to have a hard time because you're going to be nervous about the negotiation. then you're going to make her an offer. 

    You're not experienced enough to make a thin deal work. You need a solid meaty deal for your first  both financially and psychologically. 

    Don't worry about Michael Quarles. Let Michael do Michael and you do you. You're way to early in the game to worry about advanced negotiating skills. Honestly the best thing you could do is record yourself on you're phone and later listen and try to learn what you're strong and weak at. If you do use Michael's strategies for negotiating, try with friends and family first as he suggests in his podcast. 

    You're probably not going to do a deal. That has nothing to do with your skill level or with you at all. You're looking at one deal, you need to be looking at 100 and screening out 90 on the phone. 90% of the sellers out there are not your seller and they're not in a motivated frame of mind that is going to provide you with an opportunity by buying at a low price. If she accepts your offer will be pleasantly surprised. If not then all is according to plan you got the first one out of the way and the next one's going to be way easier. Now, scale up you're marketing 10x, figure out how to get dozens or hundreds of leads. Taking John's course is a fantastic idea. And also Michael Quarles! Micheal can absolutely help you get leads! 

    The last deal sounds good. I personally would start lowball and then let her lead to what her moving expenses are. Then it's her idea and she gets a win. But I wouldn't make it easy for her, she would have to meet some kind of conditions. That's kind of my style of negotiating so it's not right or wrong. 

    One last thing. If you could put separate deals and questions on separate posts it's much easier to answer. Good luck and let us know how it goes! 

    Dave Fritch 

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Vancouver, WA · Member since 2013 · 328 posts · 252 votes
    10y

    @Ashley Wolfe

    You're looking at this realistically. I agree with @David Fritch.

    Go out expecting to do it for practice. That way if you don't get it, it was practice anyway. And if you get it, bonus points. It's a numbers game. Gotta go thru the numbers. Every deal you look at won't work. You don't want them all either.

    Make sure on the $1500 one you;'re not buying someone else's problem. Make sure there isn't too much work needed. 

    Winter in TX isn't too bad but in some areas you might have to hold a property for a few months, so plan on that, just in case. The course from @John Fedro is great and he's in TX. TX is different than most other states. I hit him here so he'd get in touch with you.

    Good luck and happy hunting!

    Have fun!

  • Realtor · Bedford, TX · Member since 2015 · 172 posts · 55 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @David Fritch:

    Ashley, 

     Now, scale up you're marketing 10x, figure out how to get dozens or hundreds of leads. Taking John's course is a fantastic idea. And also Michael Quarles! Micheal can absolutely help you get leads! 

    Question: When I work full-time and can't answer the phone when it rings during the day, what info do I need to have sellers leave on a voice message so I can screen them before I call back?

    The last deal sounds good. I personally would start lowball and then let her lead to what her moving expenses are. Then it's her idea and she gets a win. But I wouldn't make it easy for her, she would have to meet some kind of conditions. That's kind of my style of negotiating so it's not right or wrong. 

    Great idea, I've heard this before, leading the seller to certain points in the negotiation so they feel comfortable saying yes about it.

    Thank you for your response!  And, yes, I'm guilty of bundling up deals into one post.  Sorry!

  • Realtor · Bedford, TX · Member since 2015 · 172 posts · 55 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Bill Neves:

    @Ashley Wolfe

    You're looking at this realistically. I agree with @David Fritch.

    Go out expecting to do it for practice. That way if you don't get it, it was practice anyway. And if you get it, bonus points. It's a numbers game. Gotta go thru the numbers. Every deal you look at won't work. You don't want them all either.

    That's what I have to keep telling myself, its just practice.

    Make sure on the $1500 one you;'re not buying someone else's problem. Make sure there isn't too much work needed. 

    Comparing situations where the home is badly burned or vandalized and someone buys it for a dollar, how much work is too much work for a first deal? 

    Winter in TX isn't too bad but in some areas you might have to hold a property for a few months, so plan on that, just in case. The course from @John Fedro is great and he's in TX. TX is different than most other states. I hit him here so he'd get in touch with you.

    Thank you. 

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    10y

    Sounds like you're using the county tax assessor values as your "market value"?  Big mistake, you need to find out what they are actually selling for.

  • Realtor · Bedford, TX · Member since 2015 · 172 posts · 55 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:

    Sounds like you're using the county tax assessor values as your "market value"?  Big mistake, you need to find out what they are actually selling for.

    In one of my previous replies, there was a 3/2 that sold on the same street for $35K, it was on the market for 12 days.  Its not a true comp because its a 2000 compared to my 1987.  However, there is great potential here, as I see it.  I wouldn't dream of asking $35K for this 1987 but, after some fixing, I don't think it would be too far stretched to ask $20-$22K for it.  She bought it six years ago for $26K

  • Landlord · Port Orchard, WA · Member since 2015 · 80 posts · 39 votes
    10y

    You should not be looking for mobile homes, you should be looking for motivated sellers. If you really want a particular deal, but you want to pay less (10k vs 17k), show up with the cash in hand, and plop it in the table. All 100s. Boom. 

    Might change their motivation level. 

  • Realtor · Bedford, TX · Member since 2015 · 172 posts · 55 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Steven Wiltz:

    You should not be looking for mobile homes, you should be looking for motivated sellers.

    Good perspective.  That changes things up a bit.  Thank you.

  • Real Estate Transaction Engineer · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2014 · 271 posts · 74 votes
    10y

    @Steven Wiltz

    @Ashley Wolfe - I like Steven's idea, however, bring a bodyguard if you're going to be plopping down cash on their table in their place.

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