Painters - What Am I Missing Here?

Painters - What Am I Missing Here?

Rental Property Investor · Winter Haven, FL · Member since 2018 · 68 posts · 20 votes

Hey BP!

So, I'm currently talking to a few painters about taking care of one of the units at my duplex in Winter Haven, FL. Some people I've reached out to have simply provided me with a price per sqft, but 2 of them have asked to come to the house to see it in person. Naturally, I invited them over and the quoted me.

The first guy seemed really knowledgeable and had a portfolio of work to backup his talk. I was impressed with his understanding and professionalism, but there was one issue - the price.. for this 650sqft unit, he was asking $2,400 to paint the walls, ceiling, trim and doors of the intetrior!

The second painter seemed to be working for a much smaller outfit. If I had to guess, C&L (the name of their company) stood for Craig & Lindsey (the names of the people quoting me). Still, they were very professional and understanding about what I was looking for, but for the same job they were only asking for $800.

Now, to me, this looks like a pretty simple choice. I currently rent the other side for $750 a month. It'spossible I could get $800 with a fresh paint job, but even then, spending 3 months worth of rent for paint !? Why not just pay the $800 and then, even if I can't up the rent, at least I'm not out another $1,600. Right?

Let me know what you guys think. Is there really a big difference in an $800 paint job vs a $2,400 paint job? I understand you get what you pay for, but this seems like I might be paying for a bit too much with the first guy. Some of my friends say it's worth it, others think the opposite, but none of them have any experience, so I leave it to you.. what should I do? What would YOU do?

If you want to know more about this estimate, he did provide me scope of work, but it seems like pretty standard stuff. Feel free to ask for more details, I'm here on BP every day now!

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Gary SiverPro Member
Flipper/Rehabber · Orange Park, FL · Member since 2014 · 180 posts · 83 votes
6y

There are a few unanswered questions.  Is it labor only, you supply material?  What brand and type of paint?  Are they doing prep work?  Does it need to be primed?  How many different colors?  $2400 is high for a vacant property, he probably is busy and doesn’t need/want the job.  $800 is a little low but they might have a gap in their schedule they are trying to fill.  Ask for references and photos.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Navarre, FL · Member since 2019 · 913 posts · 640 votes
    6y

    Some painters want you to pay for their flash truck they drive.

    I had a painter quote me something like $2k to paint a 1200sf ceiling. The painter we hired charged $600.  

  • Specialist · Paradise Valley, AZ · Member since 2018 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Tim Crosby:

    Hey BP!

    So, I'm currently talking to a few painters about taking care of one of the units at my duplex in Winter Haven, FL. Some people I've reached out to have simply provided me with a price per sqft, but 2 of them have asked to come to the house to see it in person. Naturally, I invited them over and the quoted me.

    The first guy seemed really knowledgeable and had a portfolio of work to backup his talk. I was impressed with his understanding and professionalism, but there was one issue - the price.. for this 650sqft unit, he was asking $2,400 to paint the walls, ceiling, trim and doors of the intetrior!

    The second painter seemed to be working for a much smaller outfit. If I had to guess, C&L (the name of their company) stood for Craig & Lindsey (the names of the people quoting me). Still, they were very professional and understanding about what I was looking for, but for the same job they were only asking for $800.

    Now, to me, this looks like a pretty simple choice. I currently rent the other side for $750 a month. It'spossible I could get $800 with a fresh paint job, but even then, spending 3 months worth of rent for paint !? Why not just pay the $800 and then, even if I can't up the rent, at least I'm not out another $1,600. Right?

    Let me know what you guys think. Is there really a big difference in an $800 paint job vs a $2,400 paint job? I understand you get what you pay for, but this seems like I might be paying for a bit too much with the first guy. Some of my friends say it's worth it, others think the opposite, but none of them have any experience, so I leave it to you.. what should I do? What would YOU do?

    If you want to know more about this estimate, he did provide me scope of work, but it seems like pretty standard stuff. Feel free to ask for more details, I'm here on BP every day now!

     Hmmm, I hired a guy who gave me a reasonable quote and he got half way through the job and said it was a bigger job than he thought so he wanted to double the amount. I told him he walked the job, gave me a quote and that's why he got the job. He never showed up again. I'm more impressed with the guy who will show up and finish the job in a professional level. I don't like wasting time.

  • Gary SiverPro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Orange Park, FL · Member since 2014 · 180 posts · 83 votes
    6y

    There are a few unanswered questions.  Is it labor only, you supply material?  What brand and type of paint?  Are they doing prep work?  Does it need to be primed?  How many different colors?  $2400 is high for a vacant property, he probably is busy and doesn’t need/want the job.  $800 is a little low but they might have a gap in their schedule they are trying to fill.  Ask for references and photos.

  • Rental Property Investor · Winter Haven, FL · Member since 2018 · 68 posts · 20 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:
    Originally posted by @Tim Crosby:

    Hey BP!

    So, I'm currently talking to a few painters about taking care of one of the units at my duplex in Winter Haven, FL. Some people I've reached out to have simply provided me with a price per sqft, but 2 of them have asked to come to the house to see it in person. Naturally, I invited them over and the quoted me.

    The first guy seemed really knowledgeable and had a portfolio of work to backup his talk. I was impressed with his understanding and professionalism, but there was one issue - the price.. for this 650sqft unit, he was asking $2,400 to paint the walls, ceiling, trim and doors of the intetrior!

    The second painter seemed to be working for a much smaller outfit. If I had to guess, C&L (the name of their company) stood for Craig & Lindsey (the names of the people quoting me). Still, they were very professional and understanding about what I was looking for, but for the same job they were only asking for $800.

    Now, to me, this looks like a pretty simple choice. I currently rent the other side for $750 a month. It'spossible I could get $800 with a fresh paint job, but even then, spending 3 months worth of rent for paint !? Why not just pay the $800 and then, even if I can't up the rent, at least I'm not out another $1,600. Right?

    Let me know what you guys think. Is there really a big difference in an $800 paint job vs a $2,400 paint job? I understand you get what you pay for, but this seems like I might be paying for a bit too much with the first guy. Some of my friends say it's worth it, others think the opposite, but none of them have any experience, so I leave it to you.. what should I do? What would YOU do?

    If you want to know more about this estimate, he did provide me scope of work, but it seems like pretty standard stuff. Feel free to ask for more details, I'm here on BP every day now!

     Hmmm, I hired a guy who gave me a reasonable quote and he got half way through the job and said it was a bigger job than he thought so he wanted to double the amount. I told him he walked the job, gave me a quote and that's why he got the job. He never showed up again. I'm more impressed with the guy who will show up and finish the job in a professional level. I don't like wasting time.

     Oh no, I won't be putting up with any of that mess. Lol. I've got their quotes here in writing. The first guy broke everything down in a very detailed scope of work. This second company just gave me a copy of the proposal. I will definitely get clarification before making a final decision though!!

  • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    Like most contractors, you do pay more for the bigger companies. They have insurance, trucks, office space, etc to deal with. They also SHOULD be more relatable.

    But with painting, one person’s ‘good enough’ is another’s ‘crappy job’. Is everything going to be patched, filled, caulked, sanded. The. Spot-primed, 2 coats of paint, and full cleanup? Or is it full the holes and put a coat of paint on it?

    Granted, if you’re painting a $2M house vs a $800/mo apartment, the prep and finish is probably going to be different. Some painters are perfectionists - some are better on the $300/mo rentals. :)

    I had one painter working on a 4BR house. Lots of wallpaper to take down, etc - needed quite a bit of work. Well, one day I walk in and EVERYTHING is beige. Ceilings and walls. Since I told him at one point it was a reno into a rental, in his mind, all rentals get semigloss beige. Not for the rent I was shooting for, and I never gave him a color, so that was an argument... but he finally agreed.

  • Rental Property Investor · Winter Haven, FL · Member since 2018 · 68 posts · 20 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Gary Siver:

    There are a few unanswered questions.  Is it labor only, you supply material?  What brand and type of paint?  Are they doing prep work?  Does it need to be primed?  How many different colors?  $2400 is high for a vacant property, he probably is busy and doesn’t need/want the job.  $800 is a little low but they might have a gap in their schedule they are trying to fill.  Ask for references and photos.

     Yeah, the first guy did seem very busy. His quote mentions right at the top that it includes "labor, paint, and materials". They also mention they plan to "Apply Pristine - provided semi-gloss paint to trim and doors". They mention that throughout the quote, that they will "Apply Pristine - provided paint". A quick Google search looks like that might be a Valspar paint product? I'm not sure

    The second quote mentions 1300sqft (double the units floor sqft size) and says they plan to "paint ceilings + walls". They also mention that they will be using Sherwan Williams Interior SuperPaint. Found that pretty easy on Google! As far as a detailed scope of work, it's not as thorough as the other, but they do say, "trim + ceiling bright white" and "walls light grey".

    So looking at both of these quotes individually, it does look like they were all inclusive on the price as far as material and labor costs, of course, I will verify that before we get started. I would just hate to pay this cheaper company and have them come do a terrible job that just has to be redone by someone else more expensive later. I have no reason to believe that they would do a bad job, it's just something I think about. Lol. Anyways, hopefully this helps.

  • Rental Property Investor · Winter Haven, FL · Member since 2018 · 68 posts · 20 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Mike McCarthy:

    Like most contractors, you do pay more for the bigger companies. They have insurance, trucks, office space, etc to deal with. They also SHOULD be more relatable.

    But with painting, one person’s ‘good enough’ is another’s ‘crappy job’. Is everything going to be patched, filled, caulked, sanded. The. Spot-primed, 2 coats of paint, and full cleanup? Or is it full the holes and put a coat of paint on it?

    Granted, if you’re painting a $2M house vs a $800/mo apartment, the prep and finish is probably going to be different. Some painters are perfectionists - some are better on the $300/mo rentals. :)

    I had one painter working on a 4BR house. Lots of wallpaper to take down, etc - needed quite a bit of work. Well, one day I walk in and EVERYTHING is beige. Ceilings and walls. Since I told him at one point it was a reno into a rental, in his mind, all rentals get semigloss beige. Not for the rent I was shooting for, and I never gave him a color, so that was an argument... but he finally agreed.

     Yeah, I'm not opposed to paying more for a better job well done, but I just want to make sure he's not screwing me too badly on the price. This is probably my weakest area right now is the cost of things when it comes to rehab and labor for these sorts of jobs. I was just amazed at the price difference between the two. I'm still not certain what I'm going to do yet, but if I'm being honest, I'm leaning more towards the second quote, just because this ISN'T a super fancy area. It's not a bad place either, I just don't know that it warrants a $2,400 paint job. When I bought the house, everything was painted the same white color. I mean EVERYTHING too.. not just the walls and all that, but the outlets and light switches too! Who needs painters tape, right? Lol.

  • Realtor · Tampa, FL · Member since 2016 · 340 posts · 248 votes
    6y

    Hi @Tim Crosby,

    Seems like you got a high end and a low end quote. Seems like the actual cost should be somewhere in between the two. When it comes to painting exterior, you're looking for someone to pressure wash, prep the exterior (taping), caulk and seal where necessary in small cracks, around windows etc, prime and then pain with 2-3 coats. You want to see every item on your quote.

    Price will vary most in the quantity of paint and the quality of paint. Sherwin Williams is the most contractor friendly paint company. Most will use them. 

    Also, there are companies that will be a 1 man show, and then they'll have a list of subs they'll call for your job. That person is an independent contractor and not an employee. There are other companies that are busy enough to have painters as employees. Which comes with the added cost of benefits etc. So you're likely to get a higher quality end product, and a small warranty on the workmanship. So if there are any errors they should be easy to get back.

    I've done both ends of the spectrum. Hire the expensive guy.

  • Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y



    Want a competent individual to show up at your property to do some work? It's not free.

    $800 for an ENTIRE unit, including ceilings, walls, trim, doors, closets, halls, etc., is WAY WAY low...

    Unless they are going to open up the paint can and throw it on the wall.

    I seriously would think the $800 bid are scammers, looking to get 1/2 down and never show up. You never know, but that price is less than $15 an hour in labor, and maybe half that. How likely is it that these people work that cheap? Do they live under a bridge? Could you paint the unit in a single day yourself? Average contractor rate is roughly $500 per man per day in most markets (yes, painters get a bit less). Yea, that's right, that fee pays for the truck and tools too - that's how it works (one poster scoffed at the idea you might be paying for their truck too - lol - duh - of course you do).

  • Rental Property Investor · Member since 2019 · 16 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Tim Crosby sounds like a 3rd quote would give you a better fix on pricing.

  • Rental Property Investor · Winter Haven, FL · Member since 2018 · 68 posts · 20 votes
    6y

    @Austin Bauer I think you're probably right..

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    6y

    2200sf 4bed 3 bath house patch paint trim/walls no ceiling. $3,000 in Vegas. Very nice job by “the little guy”. 

    $150 extra for three exterior doors. 

  • Member since 2019 · 14 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Mike M.

    Lol

    Thats why I got a low price

    Rule of thumb figure 350 400 a 10 x 12 x8 room includes all ceilings. Walls doors. Moldings

  • Rental Property Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2016 · 325 posts · 253 votes
    6y

    @Tim Crosby I have hired a guy to pay 1100 sq ft house to paint for $500, twice two different people and they both delivered. It took the five days instead of two but I saved $2000 in the process, twice. Go with $800 guy. Don’t pay in advance. Half payment when half the house is painted and balance after final walk through. You buy the material. Easy choice.

  • Rental Property Investor · RI · Member since 2017 · 94 posts · 52 votes
    6y

    @Tim Crosby

    Spend the weekend and paint it yourself. You'll save money and ensure it's done to your standards.

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2017 · 719 posts · 658 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Al Pat:

    @Tim Crosby I have hired a guy to pay 1100 sq ft house to paint for $500, twice two different people and they both delivered. It took the five days instead of two but I saved $2000 in the process, twice. Go with $800 guy. Don’t pay in advance. Half payment when half the house is painted and balance after final walk through. You buy the material. Easy choice.

    Exactly!

    I painted 1280sq.f house plus basement in 3 colors: ceilings, walls with some repairs and trim. Paid $600. The painter was working evenings and weekends so it took a while but it was done, very good job (he’s a painter at his day job).

    He wanted extra cash, I needed house to paint.

    Everyone is happy. 

    Off course, it’s hard to find such people and they usually booked up till winter but if you have a quote $800, why pay triple?!?

  • Specialist · Easton, PA · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    @Tim Crosby

    50% of my business is painting. Without seeing your job, I’d probably be in the $2k range myself. $800 you’ll get craigslist quality..

  • Realtor · Tempe, AZ · Member since 2017 · 541 posts · 442 votes
    6y

    @Tim Crosby I just paid $1500 to paint a 1575 square foot house. Two tone paint, good cuts, looks really good (This is for a rental). It took him 2 days. He understands that he's my go to painter and that since I work with several investors I can refer him a ton of work. Similar to your Option 'B', small operation, one main guy with 2 helpers. I'm sure he charges a little more retail for home owner clients, and then keeps his 2 guys busy and fills the gap with investor jobs. 

    Does your Option B have references? Just because it's a lot lower than Option A does not mean it wouldn't be quality.

    Option A sounds absolutely insane to me. He wants to get a few people to give into his price every month and then he's set. He probably has everyone convinced than anything more than his price is way too high, they're just ripping you off. But anyone lower than him is terrible, unreliable, etc. He's juuuuuuuust right. 

    I do agree though to get a 3rd quote. Always get at least 3 if it's for something new or if you haven't worked with the contractors before.

  • Developer · NC · Member since 2019 · 211 posts · 112 votes
    6y

    Are you paying for the paint for the second guy? Valspar is ****, and super paint is a great paint. If you give me the brands, i can tell you what their cost prob is. 

  • Real Estate Broker · Austin, TX · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    Get references and recent job contacts. The 800$ folks may be legit. Who is paying for materials? What kinda materials? Time line for getting the job done? Are they bonded? Do they have insurance? Do they have any outstanding jobs? Are they involved in any lawsuits? What are their hours of operation? What kinda equipment will they be using, roller or paintgun? Is it necessary to kilz it or not?  Its up to you to ask a bunch of questions. Folks that are lower, especially with painting, just might mean that their overhead is lower....  Its a common thought to not go with the lower price but I have gone with lower pricing and its turned out well. It all depends. 

  • Member since 2019 · 47 posts · 16 votes
    6y

    Just because it's cheaper doesn't mean it's worse. Ask to see previous work from the 2nd painter. 

  • Rental Property Investor · NY · Member since 2017 · 132 posts · 90 votes
    6y

    @Tim Crosby

    Damn I pay my guy 800 a unit

    Trim, one wall color, ceilings, and minor repair.

    Granted sometimes I get him and sometimes he gets me. But works out in the ends

  • Contractor · Evansville, IN · Member since 2019 · 142 posts · 208 votes
    6y

    The price difference is due to the prep, not the actual act of painting.

    You will see every imperfection/thin spot with the cheap guy. The expensive guy, you will be hard pressed to find a defect even if you tried.


    If it's too good to be true...

  • Rental Property Investor · Douglas County, MO · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    Two weeks ago I gave my painter the keys and instructions for the job I wanted done while we were on vacation: 1200 sq ft, flat white ceilings, tan walls, semi-gloss white doors & trim. We did the prep work and supplied the paint. She does a great job.

    I paid $320.

  • Contractor · Indianapolis · Member since 2019 · 17 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    Wise to get third quote.

    Also make sure to ask level of prep/detail each contractor is planning. Ask them what types of houses they typically work on.

    I always ask how many days, how many workers will be working or will they be doing the actual painting and how they plan on completing job (ie. roller, spray, spot clean, any sanding, any ladder work, taking doors off/leaving doors on, etc). With this info, I can work backwards to compare their number.

    The second quote sounds like the 2 that quoted will probably be doing the work so lower overhead. 

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