Do some cities have worse contractors than others?

Do some cities have worse contractors than others?

Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 483 posts · 362 votes

I just got back from completing a project in SW Florida and was floored by the quality of workmanship and overall management skills of the many contractors that I worked with. I think everyone even showed up when they said they would - it was that good. This was a different type of project than I usually do, but the stark contrast with the experiences I often have in Philadelphia just could not be more extreme. Today, I visited one of my previous contractors who had left Philly for a few years and is back now. He was working on a newbie's project, saving him from absolutely awful workmanship done by another contractor who was about to be fired. I could not get over what I was seeing -this was at a level of disaster that even an unskilled eye could understand that basically nothing was being done right. We talked about the absurdly the non-existent requirements in Pennsylvania  --  a GC does not need to have skills and knowledge. I could see that this newbie investor was headed for a lot of trouble and definitely going to spend quite a bit on fixing what he had allowed someone to do wrong.  So Buyer Beware. When you work in areas like Philadelphia, you really need to check the skill level of your contractors or you will be redoing the work and risk having unhappy tenants and all kinds of problems with the City...    And don't even get me started on the contractors who take a down payment and disappear. Vet each person before you write him a check!

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  • Corby GoadeBusiness Member
    Investor · Boise, ID · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    4y

    Wow- that's great! Glad you had such a good experience. 

    I'd say you can chalk it up to good luck. Contractos are like any other service- there are good ones and plenty of bad ones out there- I beleive that's true across the board. Good people and people who challenge your patience in every place and situation in the world. When you find the good ones, you treat them like gold!

  • Contractor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2020 · 40 posts · 37 votes
    4y

    Sadly, I understand.  I have taken over several projects from contractors that lie, don't know how to correctly progress the job, and GC's that simply disappear and do not watch their guys.  Just now I'm helping an investor that got caught in this trap and we ended up having to cancel the permits from the previous contractor and complete the work to get to rough inspections.  When demand is high, people come out of the woodwork and claim they know what they're doing only to bail after it's clear they didn't manage the job.  It makes things especially difficult for the guy that's being honest with their client because we know that the client has probably paid way too much money to the first GC.  Meaning, they got paid for work that wasn't even done.  

    I call it the Philadelphia effect.  

    However, there are good GC's and contractor still out there, referrals are always the best way to find them.  

  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 483 posts · 362 votes
    4y

    @Corby Goade   while luck can play a role, it is really important to vet everyone you work with.  When i do a project and it goes smoothly, I attribute only a part of that to good luck. When i do a project and it does not go as well as I expected or hoped, I may attribute part of that to bad luck - but it is usually going to trace back to some faulty decision or choice  -to save money, to enter into something that I do not have much experience in, to work with someone I do not know well . . . But in the big scheme of things - when you are experienced, have long term solid relationships with the many partners that play a role in any RE deal, and know how to vet properly and build tams, you will generally have "good luck" more often than "bad luck".  I make very different decisions today than I did 5 years ago - better decisions. That comes from knowledge gained, experience and building the right relationships.

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