First purchase where to go

First purchase where to go

Fremont, CA · Member since 2016 · 13 posts · 1 vote

Hi, I've been asking a lot of questions  lately and everyone has been gracious and I've taken it to brain. thank you all. 

Now here is my  dilemma , the real deal is coming and my question is what is the best path to get the loan? Bank institution or lender. Here are the options

Bank offers 70% loan on a 4.4% rate for  30 years -- meaning 30% down. Is 30% down/ out of pocket hefty for an investment property? I heard people say that the less money you put out or put on down the better. Since it's a rental property they are requiring 30% down

Lenders rates are 5% for 30 years for 20% down but of a coarse with a 1400 fee. Unsure if it gets credited at all. ( I didn't know I had to ask this)  

Lender also gave another option for 25% down on a 4.625% rate. 

I've been running numbers and how much I can offfer but is it crazy to put 30% down? Is it better to take higher rates but less money down? Please shed light to me. Thanks and by the way the ROI is on,y above

3.88%

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Rental Property Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 318 posts · 307 votes
9y

Few things first. 

1) Goal? Rental, Flip, wholesale, brrrr, house hack, etc?

2) Estimate Purchase Price?

3) Estimated Rehab/Value add cost?

4) Estimated Holding Time? relates to question #1

Must have this information to make the best decision.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 318 posts · 307 votes
    9y

    Few things first. 

    1) Goal? Rental, Flip, wholesale, brrrr, house hack, etc?

    2) Estimate Purchase Price?

    3) Estimated Rehab/Value add cost?

    4) Estimated Holding Time? relates to question #1

    Must have this information to make the best decision.

  • Fremont, CA · Member since 2016 · 13 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    1. Rental income 

    2. est price 200k

    3. No real cost but just repairs maybe 1k

    4.hold Property 30 year term 

    My dilemma is really having to out do much money down even though I can afford it , I'm not sure if savvy investors put that much in.

  • Rental Property Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 318 posts · 307 votes
    9y

    @Amzy Dedios estimated rents? 

    Based on an ROI of 3.88% which seems relatively low. please see below. My stock portfolio is at 5% YTD (good market). I would require 2-3x that number to invest in a non liquid asset. Also if $200K is ARV, not much room if the market tanks. I would look for a more value add opportunity or try to negotiate with the seller.

    Total savings = Cash Down PMT difference + 1 YR mortgage PMT difference + ROI  Difference + estimated tax benefit for higher interest PMT difference

    Ill keep the $16K in my pocket in my opinion. :-)

    Deal Analysis Lender #1 (5%int/20% down/30yrs) Lender #2 (4.625% int/25%/30yrs) Bank(4.4%in/30% down/30yrs) Lowest Down PMT vs Highest Down PMT
    Purchase $200,000 $200,000 $200,000 $0
    Down PMT $40,000 $50,000 $60,000 $20,000
    Points/fees $1,400 $0 $0 ($1,400)
    Cash Investment $41,400 $50,000 $60,000 $18,600
    Monthly PMT ($859) ($771) ($701) ($158)
    ROI at 3.88% $1,606 $1,940 $2,328 ($722)
    Monthly Cash Flow $134 $162 $194 ($60)
    Interest ($8,000) ($6,938) ($6,160) ($1,840)
    Est. Tax benefit $2,240 $1,943 $1,725 $515
    Total Gain (1yr) $3,846 $3,883 $4,053 ($206)
    Total Savings $16,499 
  • Rental Property Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 318 posts · 307 votes
    9y

    Doesn't assume appreciation of course.* 

  • Fremont, CA · Member since 2016 · 13 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    wow is all I can say! That's very thorough... I would need to get a better deal I agree.  Would

    You advice an FHA loan ever tho?

  • Harjeet BhattiPro Member
    Lender · Glenview IL- CDLP NMLS#230554 · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 747 votes
    9y

    You can get a loan  with 15%  down on investment property on 1 unit. Generally 25%  down payment will give you better rate compare to 20% down payment. But sometime loan amount matter.  

  • Mark F.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Elgin, IL · Member since 2016 · 326 posts · 270 votes
    9y

    @Harjeet Bhatti you have a program with 15% down payment on investment property? Is that only for new purchases or cash out refi's too?

  • Harjeet BhattiPro Member
    Lender · Glenview IL- CDLP NMLS#230554 · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 747 votes
    9y

    Its for purchases. 

  • Investor · Columbus, GA · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    25-30% down is typically for a commercial loan. For a single family, not your primary residence, you typically get a higher interest rate, and 20% down. FHA is for your primary residence and it's a program for lower income families.

    Putting money down is not a bad thing. If you got a 100% financing, but the market turned down then you would be instantly upside down, or negative equity.

  • Rental Property Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 318 posts · 307 votes
    9y

    @Amzy Dedios FHA is for owner occupied only.

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