Working 9-5 while buying Property?

Working 9-5 while buying Property?

Rental Property Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2017 · 54 posts · 18 votes
Greetings side hustle investors! I'm new to real Estate and right now I'm reading the BiggerPockets book "The book on rental property investing" as my first real estate book. The process of buying (searching for property, making an offer, doing your due diligence, paperwork, and finally buying) seems incredibly involved. And you have to be able to do all this quickly. My goal is to buy a first property, I'm thinking either house hacking a duplex or triplex or using a turnkey like Roofstock to buy a single family home. 1) how did you manage to buy your first property while working? Did you take a lot of days off for periods such as the inspection, meeting with lawyers, realtors or title company? How many days off? 2) Background: I have a slightly odd schedule. I usually leave for work about 10 am and get home about 8:30pm. I also get every other Friday off (usually). I also have activities going on on weekends. So my free days on weekends would only be 1 day per week: Every other Friday and every other Saturday. Question: Were you able to do it all at night? If so, how did you manage to interact with 9-5 folks like lawyers and many others? How should I change my schedule to be able to accomplish this? 3) Did you feel underprepared or that you were not able to do all your due diligence due to working 9-to-5? If so, I do not want a bad first experience and be scared away from real Estate. I'd rather take a lower return, if that makes sense. I have plenty of time to get greedy later, I should understand the basics now. Should I perhaps invest in a turnkey like roofstock instead just to get me started?
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Military · Pensacola, FL · Member since 2014 · 53 posts · 63 votes
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Amil D. Let me rephrase your post for you: Greetings BP, I'm looking at getting started and I've got some clear advantages that I'm looking for help in how to exploit to my max benefit. Advice appreciated: 1. I've got a steady job. I've got a steady income that I believe will help me out during the loan underwriting process. 2. I have odd hours. I don't need to report until 10AM each morning, so I can conduct phone business in the AM hours while my competitors are already busy punching their W2 clock. 3. I have some Fridays off. With a professionals approach, I anticipate being able to plan my property viewings, closings and other items to get me access to the best real estate talent without consuming their precious weekend time. ------ My point- change your perspective. There are many who would envy your present position. Now get out there and take action!
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    Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
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    1. I have a lot of flexibility in my schedule in that I lead the organization, but I still used paid time off as needed. I also tried to structure things around long weekends such as holidays, evenings when possible, etc. We don't use lawyers in TN for closings so that was simple. Title work was done at my agent's office. Inspectors only work during the day for the most part so that was a scheduling thing, but I have (well, had) an inspector that did a lot of Saturday work. 

    2. No, not everything could be done in the evening. I find a lot of people have some slack time right after lunch. I don't usually schedule anything close to the end of the day because people want to go home and will rush. 

    3. No, I did not feel unprepared. We looked at a lot of properties before we even made our first rental offer, so we had a pretty good idea what we were looking at. Also, I had owned private homes and even built a home as my own builder/contractor before so I had all of that experience and information as well. If you don't know anything about real estate, that gets a little trickier. 

    3A. Buying turnkey doesn't mean you won't have anything to do. Unless you cannot ever arrange a day off or don't have any vacation time at all, you should be able to squeeze it together. 

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  • Rental Property Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2017 · 54 posts · 18 votes
    9y

    JD,

    Appreciate the reply!

    Regarding (3): Yes, I'd say I know nothing about real estate.  I've never done any maintenance or owned a home before. So would you suggest spending some time physically familiarizing myself with a various properties before getting into the deeper mathematical analysis and details? What type of subject matter should I focus on understanding during such visits?

  • Equity Raiser and Turnkey Provider · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Amil D.:

    Greetings side hustle investors!

    I'm new to real Estate and right now I'm reading the BiggerPockets book "The book on rental property investing" as my first real estate book.

    The process of buying (searching for property, making an offer, doing your due diligence, paperwork, and finally buying) seems incredibly involved. And you have to be able to do all this quickly.

    My goal is to buy a first property, I'm thinking either house hacking a duplex or triplex or using a turnkey like Roofstock to buy a single family home.

    1) how did you manage to buy your first property while working? Did you take a lot of days off for periods such as the inspection, meeting with lawyers, realtors or title company? How many days off?

    2)
    Background:
    I have a slightly odd schedule. I usually leave for work about 10 am and get home about 8:30pm. I also get every other Friday off (usually). I also have activities going on on weekends.

    So my free days on weekends would only be 1 day per week: Every other Friday and every other Saturday.

    Question:
    Were you able to do it all at night? If so, how did you manage to interact with 9-5 folks like lawyers and many others? How should I change my schedule to be able to accomplish this?

    3) Did you feel underprepared or that you were not able to do all your due diligence due to working 9-to-5? If so, I do not want a bad first experience and be scared away from real Estate. I'd rather take a lower return, if that makes sense. I have plenty of time to get greedy later, I should understand the basics now. Should I perhaps invest in a turnkey like roofstock instead just to get me started?

    Investing in a Turnkey can be great when you work a 9-5. Ideally, they will own, renovate, and manage everything all in house. They should keep everything passive for you. I would suggest looking at:

    The Best Types of Markets for Profitable Turnkey Properties

    and

    What to Ask When Working With a Turnkey Provider

  • Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2016 · 33 posts · 18 votes
    9y

    I have a very flexible job schedule, I don't know how one would do it otherwise. If I need to be out of the office a few hours I can make it up in the evening as needed. Most of that flexibility I have earned over the years and I'm not in a "customer facing" position. 

    There will be some sacrifices in "free-time", there is no doubt about it. The amount varies in how dirty you want to get with your hands in your projects.   Your "team" is critical - buyers agent, financing, reliable contractor or subs if you manage the projects, etc. Do things in a process that can be repeated every time- property types/location, paint colors, rent listing templates, application and rental process, on and on.

    Now with a family, full-time job, and REI it makes me wonder what I did with all my time years ago ha! But, I enjoy it or I'd stop doing it tomorrow. You have to find your "why" early on and keep it in mind.

    I'd recommend selling your TV set. You won't have time for that anymore :) Look for the book recommendations sprinkled through this website or on the podcasts. Brandon's book you are reading now is a great start. 

    Most importantly enjoy your journey!

  • Real Estate Coach · Venice Beach, CA · Member since 2012 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    9y

    Turnkey is definitely the way to go if you want to minimize how much time you have to spend. If you go turnkey, you really only have to do due diligence on the property and then manage the manager once you own it. None of that requires meetings or in-person things. Even an inspection can be done via email...get the inspector, get the report, request the fixes from the seller via email, done. Even the closing papers can be overnighted to you to sign with a notary.

    I can't speak for the house-hacking route as I've never done it myself (other than I encourage you to be up on running the numbers so you know what you're getting into, as Mass. isn't usually known for high cash flow). Turnkeys I can speak for as they are all I've ever done, except not personally a Roofstock fan so haven't bought through them. Happy to chat anytime if you want to message.

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 31k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Amil D.:

    Greetings side hustle investors!

    I'm new to real Estate and right now I'm reading the BiggerPockets book "The book on rental property investing" as my first real estate book.

    The process of buying (searching for property, making an offer, doing your due diligence, paperwork, and finally buying) seems incredibly involved. And you have to be able to do all this quickly.

    My goal is to buy a first property, I'm thinking either house hacking a duplex or triplex or using a turnkey like Roofstock to buy a single family home.

    1) how did you manage to buy your first property while working? Did you take a lot of days off for periods such as the inspection, meeting with lawyers, realtors or title company? How many days off?

    2)
    Background:
    I have a slightly odd schedule. I usually leave for work about 10 am and get home about 8:30pm. I also get every other Friday off (usually). I also have activities going on on weekends.

    So my free days on weekends would only be 1 day per week: Every other Friday and every other Saturday.

    Question:
    Were you able to do it all at night? If so, how did you manage to interact with 9-5 folks like lawyers and many others? How should I change my schedule to be able to accomplish this?

    3) Did you feel underprepared or that you were not able to do all your due diligence due to working 9-to-5? If so, I do not want a bad first experience and be scared away from real Estate. I'd rather take a lower return, if that makes sense. I have plenty of time to get greedy later, I should understand the basics now. Should I perhaps invest in a turnkey like roofstock instead just to get me started?

     You may be overthinking on this one. There really is not a major time commitment when you are starting a small portfolio. You can easily do this while working a full time job.

    At this stage of the game you have no need to meet with attorneys or anything of that nature. Right now you need a Realtor to show you a handful of decent properties. You pick one, but it and place some tenants inside or hire a PM to place some tenants inside. Rinse & repeat. 

  • Saginaw, MI · Member since 2017 · 11 posts · 2 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Ali Boone:

    Turnkey is definitely the way to go if you want to minimize how much time you have to spend. If you go turnkey, you really only have to do due diligence on the property and then manage the manager once you own it. None of that requires meetings or in-person things. Even an inspection can be done via email...get the inspector, get the report, request the fixes from the seller via email, done. Even the closing papers can be overnighted to you to sign with a notary.

    I can't speak for the house-hacking route as I've never done it myself (other than I encourage you to be up on running the numbers so you know what you're getting into, as Mass. isn't usually known for high cash flow). Turnkeys I can speak for as they are all I've ever done, except not personally a Roofstock fan so haven't bought through them. Happy to chat anytime if you want to message.

     Could you share some more experience with Turnkey companies. I've just started to look into them as an investment avenue and have no idea what to look for and what to avoid. Also are you Turnkey properties near by or remote for where you live? 

  • Military · Pensacola, FL · Member since 2014 · 53 posts · 63 votes
    9y
    Amil D. Let me rephrase your post for you: Greetings BP, I'm looking at getting started and I've got some clear advantages that I'm looking for help in how to exploit to my max benefit. Advice appreciated: 1. I've got a steady job. I've got a steady income that I believe will help me out during the loan underwriting process. 2. I have odd hours. I don't need to report until 10AM each morning, so I can conduct phone business in the AM hours while my competitors are already busy punching their W2 clock. 3. I have some Fridays off. With a professionals approach, I anticipate being able to plan my property viewings, closings and other items to get me access to the best real estate talent without consuming their precious weekend time. ------ My point- change your perspective. There are many who would envy your present position. Now get out there and take action!
  • Real Estate Coach · Venice Beach, CA · Member since 2012 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Matthew Van Parys:
    Originally posted by @Ali Boone:

    Turnkey is definitely the way to go if you want to minimize how much time you have to spend. If you go turnkey, you really only have to do due diligence on the property and then manage the manager once you own it. None of that requires meetings or in-person things. Even an inspection can be done via email...get the inspector, get the report, request the fixes from the seller via email, done. Even the closing papers can be overnighted to you to sign with a notary.

    I can't speak for the house-hacking route as I've never done it myself (other than I encourage you to be up on running the numbers so you know what you're getting into, as Mass. isn't usually known for high cash flow). Turnkeys I can speak for as they are all I've ever done, except not personally a Roofstock fan so haven't bought through them. Happy to chat anytime if you want to message.

     Could you share some more experience with Turnkey companies. I've just started to look into them as an investment avenue and have no idea what to look for and what to avoid. Also are you Turnkey properties near by or remote for where you live? 

    They aren't near me at all. I can definitely share about my experiences, but you'll have to be more specific in what you are interested in knowing. I've been involved with them for a long time :) Message me at my email or direct message anytime.

  • Investor · San Jose, CA · Member since 2017 · 343 posts · 102 votes
    9y

    @Amil D.- You work hard to earn your wages and don't have time to look after hard earned money investments. I can tell you many successful stories , the one I like the most is about a civil engineer with his travel job started researching RE, met is running mate and partner and started REI. Fast forward as of today they own 1000+ properties between them. I hope you are smart enough to figure out the path, If you ask 5- 10 smart questions , you will excused from TK marketing . Educate yourself about REI to find answers to your silly questions.

    Good Luck 

    Vivek

  • Rental Property Investor · Honolulu, HAWAII (HI) · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y
    I did it all out of state. It's thought doing all the scanning and faxing with your lender.
  • Brookline, MA · Member since 2017 · 49 posts · 22 votes
    9y

    @Amil D. I would think every other Friday off would solve a lot of possible problems with regards to when to conduct meetings! You have those early hours free too - like 

    @Timothy Gleason said I think you're in a great spot. I don't have that kind of flexibility in my workday and wish I did!

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