Cash flow after mortgage...

Cash flow after mortgage...

Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 12 posts · 21 votes

I'm a newbie so I might be missing something, but I'm not quite sure why no one ever talks about the cash flow they will have after their mortgage is paid off. I currently work in the non-profit world and just bought my first 4 flat; I'm house hacking. We live in a neighborhood that is rapidly gentrifying, but we believe in keeping our units affordable. Even while doing this we pay very little each month out of pocket, about a 1/4 of what we would renting the 2,000sqft space we have to live in. Our plan is to be able to raise our family in this home, and eventually, take some money out to buy a few more 3-4 unit buildings. Our goal is to be able to do the type of work we care about while still securing a comfortable life for our family and healthy retirement plan. So, as I think about this, especially as it comes to retirement dollars, I'm not sure if there is something I'm missing. On the BP podcasts Brandon talks a lot about cash flowing $200/unit per month, taking half of that for retirement planning, and then multiplying that to get to your goal of income per month. That makes sense to me if I'm thinking about quitting my job today. But if I'm thinking about this as a retirement plan the numbers are very different, no? For my current building the rent, minus my unit would be 4K/month (not including expenses (which won't be much one the mortgage is paid off) or the inflation in 20-30 years). So that's $48,000/year - expenses & taxes (at this point depreciation would likely be exhausted). I just want to make sure I'm doing the math right and that I'm not missing something. Everyone on here seems to talk so much about the short game that I can't tell if I'm missing something and that my math is for some reason way off or if I'm just playing at a different game than others. Would appreciate your thoughts. 

Thanks!

-Anna  

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    Investor · Thermopolis, WY · Member since 2012 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    9y

    @Anna Markowski, Welcome to BP.  Most folks need to know monthly cash flow because that is what will fuel their savings to get the next rental.  There are many metrics to calculate income from a property using the numbers of pure income.  Simply deduct your mortgage payment from the normal expense.  If you must get a loan to buy the property you must know cash flow.  Not many folks can afford to pay cash.  In commercial property they often use Cap Rates, which you can look up that are similar to what you are contemplating.  Most folks due cash flow using 30 year loans, but be aware you may not be able to get many of those.  I use 15 year loans mostly so it affects how the cash flow looks.

  • Investor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2015 · 6k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    @Anna Markowski, it's really good that you're thinking about this NOW. The key as to why retirement cash flow isn't mentioned much is because how you spend your retirement play money is not what Bigger Pockets is concerned about. But what you're doing NOW, already wisely thinking of, "eventually, take some money out to buy a few more 3-4 unit buildings", which by definition means that paying off the mortgage will take many further years (but so what?), IS what Bigger Pockets is about! "Take some money out" - then rinse and repeat!

    Once you're satisfied that your goal HAS been met - then your MAXIMUM cash flow will be yours to spend spend spend! [The mantra is: never spend your seed capital/assets!] Welcome to BP!...

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 12 posts · 21 votes
    9y

    Thanks so much guys! Appreciate your feedback and encouragement!

  • Real Estate Investor · Unadilla NY · Member since 2017 · 418 posts · 297 votes
    5y

    @Anna Markowski I'm curious where are you at now and how did things turn out for you with the 4 plex? 

  • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Anna Markowski a LOT of people (including the older generation) bought one or two rental properties, paid it off over 20/30/40 years, and sold it for a huge profit along with making some money along the way. It’s the long game.

    Others look at life in shorter terms and are looking for a 5-10 year investment.

    One isn’t better or worse, just different. It’s up to you to figure out what aligns with your short-mid-and long-term goals.

  • Investor · Cumming, GA · Member since 2015 · 79 posts · 72 votes
    5y

    @Mike McCarthy selling at the end can create a large recapture tax bill. Also something to add to the math.

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