Plenty of Skills but No Cash to Get Started

Plenty of Skills but No Cash to Get Started

Specialist · Kaneohe, HI · Member since 2016 · 11 posts · 1 vote

I know this is a lengthy build up to my three questions at the end, but I have a situation that I would love to hear from current investors, especially from those who are investing in 1-4 unit properties.

Here we go.

Imagine for a minute that you have journeyman level skills and a decade of experience as a carpenter (rough and finish) and you also have advanced apprentice level experience in other trades like plumbing, electrical and concrete work. You gained these skills and knowledge in your teens and early adulthood working with a renovation contractor so you “did it all” from demo to roofing, and nearly everything in between. In fact, you even spent your summer while in high school installing below-grade swimming pools!...and insulating houses, :(

As time passed you joined the military and operated heavy equipment like dozers, graders, loaders, and backhoes. Once out of the military you continued to advance your circle of knowledge and skills by investing in some architectural drafting classes that led to several years of residential design work on the side while you worked full-time. Soon you went to the university and obtained a professional degree in architecture, but you never were able to get your license.

After you graduated with your BArch degree, you worked in architecture firms for a few years and eventually took a federal job as an architect. Your primary role for almost a decade was in the position of design manager for projects in areas of recreation, housing, tenant improvement, exterior painting, re-roofing, and even some civil repair projects. Prior to leaving that career, you held a federal position for a year as a construction manager on projects ranging from a few hundred thousand up to $17-Million-dollar military construction projects.

All during this time, you advanced your skills with CAD software that now allows you to produce high-quality drawings consistently and accurately, culminating from your experience of 30 years in the residential design and construction industry. You also have advanced skills in office software like excel and word, along with skills using project management software. You also have decades of experience with processing building permits in the jurisdiction where you hope to invest.

You are making some money here and there with design projects but these are inconsistent at best. Your wife is working and between the two of you, you are just getting by. You have a lot of equity and you may or may not be able to refi your home if the right deal made sense but without a job or income to report finding a lender is going to have challenges of its own.

You feel stuck but you know that with your skills, confidence, and time now to approach real estate investing with a serious long-term approach. You know you should have done more with real estate investing years ago when you earned enough on your first flip to fund your move to Hawaii and purchase there, where you now live. But that was in 2005, and with the move and the real estate debacle in 2008, you gave up on that idea.

But the idea and the desire has never really left you. Fortunately, as you approach 60, your health is excellent, in great shape, you have a supportive spouse (she is still with you after living in your first flip while it was in progress). 

You love improving properties, and neighborhoods, and creating value where little existed before.

With all this going for you, you know your skills are transferable and you feel that you're an ideal fit for real estate investing. You have the idea that you want to approach it with a cash flow and equity growth model but starting out you think you need to do some fix and flips first in order to generate some cash but eventually get to a position where you can begin holding and leasing or renting. You'd probably establish a real estate trust as your equity and net worth grows over time. You're willing to do this with no illusion of it being easy or that you would be retiring anytime soon, at least not in the typical sense of the word, I mean, after all, you already live in Hawaii.

So here are my questions, and BTW, thank you for reading this far. 

Assuming that refinancing your home is not an option at this time how would you answer any one of these three questions?

Question #1:
What would you do if you were me?

Question #2:
What do you know that I need to know in order for me to move forward as a real estate investor?

Question #3: 
Of the skills and experience listed, what are some creative ways you could apply them towards working a deal with another more experienced investor?

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  • New Jersey, NJ · Member since 2015 · 327 posts · 137 votes
    10y
    Your the perfect contractor for any real estate investor. #1: become a real estate agent, that time of learning that field, I say you will have the complete skill set. #2: Learn about creative finance and use it wisely. #3: Investor will use you as a contractor which requires getting license in the state you want to work in. That's a good starting point and after a few projects with an investor, you will learn enough to become an investor your self. VERY IMPORTANT NOTE: books, video ,seminars will provide you with motivation and tools to make it in the RE game but the best method will always be learning hands on and with someone to guide. I'm in the NYC market which isn't the best place to start learning so I had to learn fast and perfection in order to compete with these top dogs.
  • Specialist · CHICAGO · Member since 2015 · 680 posts · 650 votes
    10y

    #1 Find a partner who can gain from the assets you bring to the table by posting on here using the keywords pertinent to your locality. I would also determine what time you have available to make your skills go to work for your partnership. I would determine how much risk and time you were willing to pour into this project.

    #2 I know you need a knowledgable partner in marketing and negotiation. I know that you understand and one could say mastered the operational side of a flip but need someone. I know you need to start telling EVERYONE you know that you are looking to buy properties to fix up. Don't say flip...its a sexy word but its also gotten a cheap connotation. You are looking to invest in properties in neighborhoods that could benefit from said investment (change based on audience).

    # 3 find a young investor who can learn the financing side of it and manage the operation

    I know I would LOVE to have someone like you in my area. You would be the solution to so many of my problems in investing. Your experience and past success could be a cornerstone to build a fundable business plan on with the right partner.

    Let me know when you want to move to the midwest.

  • Investor/Landlord · Farmington Hills, MI · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    All real estate deals require time, knowledge and capital. You must bring something to your deals but you do not need to bring all of any component. It seems you have considerable knowledge and time but are lacking in capital. Use your time to increase your knowledge. Learn you market, read blogs, listen to podcasts. Use your time to tell people what you wish to do, what you can offer. Attend REIA meetings and introduce yourself to people who you may be able to help and who may be able to help you. Meet people who may be able to help you finance your project when you find a good one and you know it is a good one.

          Most people new to RE think money is the hardest part. It really isn't. There is money everywhere and you know many people who have funds they might invest if they knew what you do, they trusted that you can do it, and you find a good deal. Better yet, for your first couple deals make them great ones. If you do, and you meet or exceed your lender's expectations they may be first in line for the next ones. The more deals you do, the more you will increase your knowledge and capital--there may be a time before long that you will need to partner with others who have what you lack...time. Enjoy the ride.

  • Real Estate Broker · Kailua, HI · Member since 2014 · 11 posts · 3 votes
    10y
    Aloha Jim, Sounds like you've got some great experience under your belt. PM me if you'd like to meet up to talk story. Im always looking for good contractors to work with. Mahalo, John
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