MySmartMove's Credit Rating?I just turned down a 790 w/ eviction

MySmartMove's Credit Rating?I just turned down a 790 w/ eviction

Real Estate Broker · Johns Creek, GA · Member since 2009 · 870 posts · 664 votes

I have two of my personal higher end rental properties listed for lease for $1850/month.  I encountered a unique situation where the credit score came out as 790 but there was a recent eviction record that took place just two years ago. I asked the prospective tenant if he had any knowledge of this eviction record and at first replied, "no". This reply automatically made me feel more cautious. Then I went more into detail about the eviction finding that I had found on mysmartmove.com and he started to explain to me the situation about the landlord not taking care of the mold issue making the home inhabitable.  I met both him and his wife and they both seemed so genuine and kind people. Income was good as well as the cash reserves. I was about to accept them until my wife told me that she didn't feel good about the eviction record being so recent. I don't I ever remember listening to my wife and making a bad decision. I immediately called the prospective tenant to let him know that I will have to deny his application, he did mentioned to me that he felt that the credit score on mysmartmove was highly inflated from what his real credit score is.

Similar situation with another applicant with an eviction record five years ago shows a credit score of 780. How is it possible to have an eviction record in the past 2-5 years and still have a 780 and 790 credit score? How do you guys feel about taking in a tenant with a 780 credit score with a recent eviction record that happened two years ago? Tenant selection is something I take very very seriously for myself as well as for my clients.

I turned both of them down (780 and 790 credit scores), and I am hoping that I made the right decision. What other methods are there to pull credits that are more credible? I have been using MySmartMove.com for the last 4 years and now sort questioning the intergrity of the credit pull.

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Hanford, CA · Member since 2013 · 5k+ posts · 1k+ votes
10y

I just turned down a eviction from 10 years ago. I don't do eviction ;) Especially when they are trying to tell me they are the perfect tenant and should get exceptions. Also for a high end rental.

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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    10y

    @James Park  maybe you just get additional rent up front.. like two months and deposit.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    10y

    @James Park  I can only be a 790 in my dreams  LOL... too many real estate loans. I have NO other debt and pay CC monthly for last 25 years.. for the life of me I can't understand why its not perfect 850. 

  • Real Estate Broker · Johns Creek, GA · Member since 2009 · 870 posts · 664 votes
    10y

    For those of you who have taken in tenants with a prior eviction record. What has your experience been like?

  • Investor · Honolulu, HI · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    Why would a judge evict a tenant wronged by the landlord?  Tenant seems fishy.

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2010 · 804 posts · 230 votes
    10y

    I had one tenant and it work out fine.  I would consider a higher rent for these tenants, at least $2000.00 a month along with a higher deposit.

  • Investor · Honolulu, HI · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Joe Moore:

    I had one tenant and it work out fine.  I would consider a higher rent for these tenants, at least $2000.00 a month along with a higher deposit.

    That's kinda like the restaurant telling you the French fries are cold so they gave you extra.  Plus in some jurisdictions you could get in trouble for charging extra deposits and even higher rents. 

    An eviction is the result of the tenant doing nothing and forcing the landlord to do something.  If the landlord followed thru on an eviction after the tenant had moved out and had moved out of state so it wasn't worth it to hire a lawyer or fly back I would possibly let it go but I would want a plausible explanation more that extra rent that would just mean I'll possibly be out less when I have to evict them.

  • Raleigh, NC · Member since 2015 · 59 posts · 15 votes
    10y

    The PM company I previously worked for never pulled a score, just the credit report and we made a determination based on account status so the score aspect is new to me. The reports we pulled showed credit line items separate from rental/public judgement information items. I thought evictions would only influence the score if there was outstanding monies owed and/or if the claim went to collections.  If the landlord that filed the eviction never pursued any money owed it would not be reported the credit agency, thus not affecting the credit score.

  • Hanford, CA · Member since 2013 · 5k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    I just turned down a eviction from 10 years ago. I don't do eviction ;) Especially when they are trying to tell me they are the perfect tenant and should get exceptions. Also for a high end rental.

  • Real Estate Agent · Austin, TX · Member since 2014 · 636 posts · 486 votes
    10y

    Scores mean little. Back when I would've been a credit risk I had a near perfect score. Now when I have a high income and am stable, my credit score is mediocre. Actual defaults, evictions, late payments, etc. are much more important, in my personal experience.

  • JD MartinBusiness Member
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    Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    10y

    Anyone with a legal eviction on their record would fall short of my criteria. If the landlord wouldn't fix a mold issue, there are other ways of dealing with it, from just moving early and breaking the lease to getting a court to take the rent money in escrow until the problem is fixed (personally, I wouldn't live in a moldy house, so I wouldn't have to be evicted). Almost 100% of legal evictions are due to non-payment, which is a big red flag. 

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  • Investor · King of Prussia, PA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 339 votes
    10y

    @James Park I have a criteria and stick to it religiously. Sometimes there's an exception. If they had a great reason behind the evictions, I'd as for additional rent up front like @Jay Hinrichs mentioned and keep the lease on a month-to-month. You did the right thing by listening to wife. 

  • William MorganPro Member
    Fix & Flip or Hold · San Luis Obispo, CA · Member since 2012 · 136 posts · 63 votes
    10y

    Evictions are a pretty big risk.  I'd venture a guess that the only reason they do not have a lower credit score to go along with their eviction is because the previous landlord didn't recorded the judgement.

    If there was a legitimate habitability issue why did a judge evict them?  Many times, if not most, mold issues are caused by the occupants either not using the bathroom fan, not reporting leaks or not cleaning well.

    I bet the mold issue was some sort of half baked attempt to not pay and/or fend off the eviction - which the judge apparently saw right through.

    Evictions trump all in my book.

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2010 · 804 posts · 230 votes
    10y

    @Account Closed The larger deposit idea was suggested by MySmartMove.  The higher rent has been offered by prospective tenants.  As you stated it maybe against the law in some jurisdictions, certainly not most.  I guess one should make sure what is required in their particular jurisdiction.  Also that particular market's rents will determine if the higher rent will be acceptable.  There are threads on here where the rent for a rental was too above market rent and that rental stayed vacant until a just rent rate was in place.

  • Investor · Honolulu, HI · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Joe Moore:

    @Account Closed The larger deposit idea was suggested by MySmartMove.  The higher rent has been offered by prospective tenants.  As you stated it maybe against the law in some jurisdictions, certainly not most.  I guess one should make sure what is required in their particular jurisdiction. 

    Landlords that don't know their landlord tenant codes are always the ones complaining about how unfriendly that state is when THEY break the rules. 

    The real problem here is that generally to get evicted a tenant has to have NOT done something.  Not paid rent, not negotiated with the landlord on a friendly resolution, not followed their part of the landlord/tenant rules.  Not responded to legal demands for pay or quit!

    If there is a "mold" issue etc. most landlords would rather work out a lease break and offer the deposit back if the property was left in good condition than go thru the hassle of court. 

    Even if your jurisdiction allows higher deposits/rents you are possibly setting yourself up for a lawsuit if they fall under some protected class and they can claim discrimination in housing. 

    If they could not thoroughly explain the eviction then even if you collect an extra few hundred dollars and they stop paying the rent third month in how soon will that be a wash? 

  • Joe SplitrockPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Sioux Falls, SD · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 18k+ votes
    10y

    @James Park I don't think evictions affect your credit score if the rent payments are not being reported to the credit agency. People with good credit can get evicted too. I don't rent to people who have been evicted or owe landlords money. I wouldn't even waste my time asking to hear the story. Eviction means they would't leave when they were asked to and it had to go to court. What else do you need to know?

  • JD MartinBusiness Member
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    Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    10y

    People offering to pay higher rent reek of desperation. As soon as someone offers to pay more than I am asking, I am suspicious as to why they are that desperate.

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  • Investor · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 477 posts · 426 votes
    10y

    Almost two grand a month for rent? I'm waiting for a tenant without an eviction, thanks. Sounds like a property I don't want trashed and/or tied up for months during their next eviction. 

    Off Topic: In my town, a 780+ Credit Score and $2,000 a month would buy the nicest house in town - literally. 

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