Struggeling Getting The Ball Rolling - Help Appreciated

Struggeling Getting The Ball Rolling - Help Appreciated

Real Estate Investor · Little Rock, AR · Member since 2013 · 126 posts · 65 votes

Firstly, let me say that I apologize if this gets long winded. I have a few issues but will break them up into separate posts to help make things easier. Since I haven't closed a deal, I figured this was the best place to post. I am just looking for feedback, ideas, or personal experiences that might help me get things moving forward a little better.

I decided about half a year ago to get into REI. The "why" is that I want an additional source of income, to build something that I can look at and be proud of, and to eventually have enough income to step away from my job. I work as a paramedic in Little Rock, Arkansas and I love my job, but the pay isn't going to set me up for long term goals I have.

After much time on the forums here "lurking" I decided that wholesaling would be my initial strategy. I had a little savings, and had some extra monthly income that I could put a little into marketing. This monthly budgeted for marketing isn't much. My past experiences in Internet Marketing and the lack of competition in my area was what I felt would be my competitive edge. It can be a low cost form of advertising (PPC), and I am pretty confident that I can build a solid infrastructure targeting highly converting keywords for my area. This does take time however.

I did my research from the big guys websites and got a list of keywords. I built a site around those keywords. I set up PPC. When I hit to GO button in Adwords, I got a call to my business line in 3 hours. Great start right? It was a motivated lead.

So Issue #1 - Mentor

I attended a few local REI type meetups. I have yet to go to a REIA meeting and know that I must attend the next one. This led me to a local mentor (the only one I have really seen locally) who really was the only name in the game as far as online advertising goes. I signed up for his program which was a monthly fee and half of the profits from wholesale deals. He had some basic educational material and some forms to assist with getting things going. I've never wanted someone to hold my hand when I am experiencing something new, but someone who motivates and adds value has always helped. I've learned a bit from him, but have never really taken anything away that I haven't seen on here. I feel like I might have gotten better advice on some things having listed them in the deal analysis area of this forum! He is a great guy, and I feel like he has good intentions. Here are some qualms I have,

1.) A few times I have called about a lead and one of his other "students" have already contacted him about it. So it generally is like... okay, so I guess I have to ignore this one.

2.) I feel that a few deals were passed up because they didn't meet his minimum requirements. I understand that he has goals he wants to make on each deal so that it feels they are worth his time. Personally if I could walk away with $500 or $1k it would be well worth it to me. The experience of going through the steps and seeing things in action would be extremely beneficial to me. Also based on my current financial situation, that amount of income would be a great assistance.

3.) Bear with me on this one; I feel at the mercy of my mentor, because I don't have a buyers list. Okay, I KNOW from all I have read that it is a great idea to have a buyers list. Not mandatory, since if you have a good deal, buyers will find you. However, with the structure of mentor ship, the property would be marketed to his buyers. I have grown to realize that this leaves me at the mercy of my mentor. Never has there been a "you should start finding buyers and building a list." It's the fact that he hasn't mentioned this step after months or pushed the point that leads me to wonder about his overall intentions. I want someone to teach me to be successful mutually. I hope the point of this comes across correctly.

4.) I am not sure that having a mentor ship with my biggest competitor in my direct area is the best idea. So far it hasn't lead to anything. Many of the motivated buyers just wouldn't go low enough for the deal to work. I have seen a response to my online marketing by his team to be more competitive and therefore more costly for me. There was even an idea that I had not long ago that I discussed with him that (maybe not intentionally) was targeted by his marketing. Sometimes, I am suspicious of his overall intentions for not only myself but the other members. I don't think he would do anything that is overly dishonest, but might have some underlying intentions with working with his direct competitors.

So my questions is, what should I do in this situation? I haven't been able to successfully find another mentor and I just don't feel like I am getting enough from the current guy. Maybe my expectations are a little high. I am more than willing to put in time and work to make things successful. I have presented 20 + leads with about 5 being very motivated. Sadly there just wasn't the wholesaler profit involved to close the deals. I probably should utilize the resources here on BP more to get assistance.

My Plan of Action on This Point

1.) Attend the next local REIA meeting. Unfortunately they only do them every other month. The next one is in November. I have tried to reach out to some of the members, but most say "come to the next meeting." I have worked very successfully in sales and am good at networking with people. Now it is just taking action on this point.

2.) Start utilizing the BP community more. I am getting about 10 leads a weak simply through online marketing. Usually about 1 of those is fairly motivated. If there is not direction with my mentor I will post them here and see what people think. I will ask questions and get more involved with other conversations on the forum.

3.) Buyers list. I have about 6 resources (most from BP) on finding buyers. I am going to take action and start building a list. I have created a website that is specific as to the geographical area we serve and will possible to a little PPC for specific keywords if I can get them dirt cheap. Time permitting, I will focus on some natural results for the site as well. I will call around to title companies this week until I find one that will provide me with a list of cash buyers for the last 6 months. I will contact these buyers and let them know who I am and what I can offer. I am a big fan of the reverse wholesaling method (yeah even though I haven't incorporated it) but more importantly not shotgun blasting your list with every property.

4.) Network. I have a local commercial realtor who we started communicating but he never responded to my last. I will reach out to him again, and see what I can do. I would like to find other people in the area who I can network with.

That about sums the first part of this up. Looking forward to your replies and criticism.

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Hanford, CA · Member since 2013 · 5k+ posts · 1k+ votes
13y

@Eric Metz

I got started just by jumping in. My mom bought a primary residence before my parents were married and turned it in to a rental. Other than that I had no experience and no mentor. Heck we didn't tell most people what we were doing because they thought we were crazy :)

Yes looking back the first house, crazy things happen and we got lucky. Warts will happen. Take them, emprace them learn from them. If those previous deals exist that you had found. Try the best one. See what happens and keep going.

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  • Residential Agent And Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2013 · 212 posts · 83 votes
    13y

    I don't have much knowledge when it comes to wholesaling, so take my advice with a grain of salt. From what it sounds like, you're paying a mentor a monthly fee to teach you things you can learn here for free. In addition to teaching you stuff you already know, he is also preventing you from completing a successful reals because the spread doesn't meet his criteria. I'm not really sure what benefit he is offering you at this point but it seems like you're limiting yourself in several ways by continuing your partnership with him.

    Mentors can be very helpful, but by no means are they necessary. It doesn't make sense to me to pay this guy what are extremely valuable dollars to prevent you from doing deals and tell you stuff you already know.

    I would discontinue paying for his services, continue educating yourself and taking action, and stay patient. It may take time, but if you're persistent, you will get a deal done. Sorry if I'm giving generic advice. Good luck.

  • Developer · Cleveland / Akron, OH · Member since 2008 · 922 posts · 399 votes
    13y

    Ok, you are kind of at an impasse, but are noticing that, which is good. Cut ties with the mentor, save that monthly expense. You tried it out, and it didn't really pan out.

    Get out there and get your hands dirty on that first deal that falls through and the second where you make your $500, but it begins forward momentum.

    Focus on optimizing based on the traffic you are getting. And remember, this takes time to build.

    Think ten years out, this first building year will be long forgotten.

    If you don't have much savings, that commercial agent doesn't really think you guys can do any business. Go to the meeting in November, keep doing what you are doing for the moment, it is only a month away. You will meet people there who will actually be interested to talk with you.

    Don't worry about a buyer's list or a mentor, just do what you think will work and make as many good decisions as you can. Then, like your ad campaign, adjust accordingly.

    If you have questions, throw them on BP. You do not need someone to answer your questions in person. You are substituting the quality of BP advice for a local guide who may not be as accomplished.

  • Real Estate Investor · Little Rock, AR · Member since 2013 · 126 posts · 65 votes
    13y

    @Matt Morgan

    Thanks for the response. I think my fear of stepping away from the mentor ship lies in my realization of all that I don't know. I don't have a buyers list. I haven't reached out to a title company. I haven't completed all the necessary paperwork before. I haven't been to a closing. I am betting that I could make it through all that without someone, but it sure would be easier to do it with someone knowledgeable. I've considered how I could use that extra money for marketing and it has tempted me greatly. I didn't take the step of discontiuing things because I really want the first deal to go right and see the steps.

    Thanks again.

  • Real Estate Investor · Little Rock, AR · Member since 2013 · 126 posts · 65 votes
    13y

    @Ryan Arth

    I appreciate your straightforwardness. I have my days where I lose some of the drive to push forward, but it generally gets re-ignited quickly. I definitely will be reaching out more to the community.

    Another reason I mention the desire to have a "buyers list" is that those deals where the 70% ARV - Repairs is possible, but not much more than that... I would like to present those to my "best buyers" or at least use it to gain a solid relationship. If they make a good profit and can throw a little cash my way then great. More than once I've been only a few thousand away from closing a deal but didn't close it. If I knew who to call to say "are you interested" and maybe close that deal while taking less... then that would have been great.

    Anywho, I appreciate the response.

  • Hanford, CA · Member since 2013 · 5k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    13y

    @Eric Metz

    I got started just by jumping in. My mom bought a primary residence before my parents were married and turned it in to a rental. Other than that I had no experience and no mentor. Heck we didn't tell most people what we were doing because they thought we were crazy :)

    Yes looking back the first house, crazy things happen and we got lucky. Warts will happen. Take them, emprace them learn from them. If those previous deals exist that you had found. Try the best one. See what happens and keep going.

  • Contractor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2013 · 647 posts · 205 votes
    13y

    Hi Eric, welcome to BP! I understand your position; I'm still trying to get started myself, and got the mentor T-shirt. Long story short there, he taught me how to utilize the internet for things I already knew how to do or understood after a five minute conversation, and kept "filtering" properties I thought looked interesting through his personal prism. Lost quite a bit of money (well, more than I'd lost before, anyhow :-/) for no return but a non-love of gurus :-P In any event, you can learn all the things you need from here or from just doing. I'm a fan of "I have some free time, so why don't I go bug/call the folks at the (title company, realtor's office, county assessor's office, etc) and throw some questions to them? For instance, what do they DO?" For me, I know it can be frustrating "not knowing what I don't know" to the point of not knowing what question to ask... so I ask a bunch of questions. That said, you probably don't want to bug them TOO much if you plan on working with them ;-)

    In any event Eric, if you're like me, you know where you want to go, but are still working out how to get there, especially when still learning the basics. DON'T get discouraged. You're a medic, you know it doesn't always "happen to someone else"; same holds true with success as it does with trauma. Just keep your eye on the goal, and get as much of that real world, first person experience that you can. Good luck, and don't hesitate to ask if there's anything we can do for you here.

  • Real Estate Investor · Little Rock, AR · Member since 2013 · 126 posts · 65 votes
    13y

    @Elizabeth Colegrove

    It seems a good number of people just "jumped in" and sort of figured things out along the way. Lack of financial reserves has made me weary of getting ahead of myself, but after the responses I can't help but think that the fear of failure far trumps everything else. Thanks for your response.

    @Chad Clanton

    I am betting there are a ton of people on the site that have a similar story. I really want to emphasize that I think this person has the best intentions. Having only been doing it a few years maybe he is still building his mentoring side of things.

    Being only a few months from 30 years old has really ignited this fire to push forward with what I consider success and wealth. Your response really hits home and I appreciate your reaching out. I really can not see myself not being successful in this endeavor. I have a well built plan, but it does require that I start getting some deals done and able to turn some of the profits back into the business. I am not the type to give up. Thanks again!

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    13y

    Anyone not taking action but sitting here on BP researching can think they know it all. Truth be told you learn about 90% of it from just taking action and doing it. To me forums are a guide, someone for little tips and building relationships but they are useless if you aren't taking action. That is where you learn how it's done.

    Just lock up a lead and market it, learn as you go. Its about taking action.

  • Contractor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2013 · 647 posts · 205 votes
    13y

    Eric, it's fantastic that you're set on making it work the way you are. I think that's one of the most important things you could have going for you. It's good that your mentor has good intentions, it certainly beats the alternatives! That said, I don't know the specifics of the deals you're bringing him, but if he doesn't like them, try to find out why. Some things are legitimate deal breakers and some simply don't work for some people while they do for others.

    Here is something regarding wholesaling, at least the way that I see it and through my limited understanding of the process (anyone with input, please do chime in): as long as your contract is written right i.e. your contingency clauses (financing, inspections, etc), then getting a good property under contract is the most important thing. Again, if the offer is written right (adequate time, satisfactory funds arrangements, etc), then I don't see where there is a problem with tying it up under contract for further study, then letting it go if it doesn't suit after further study. I wouldn't want to do this as an all the time thing, but it is an option. I think I've missed out on 2-3 good properties (quite a few considering I'm still working on my first deal) simply because I wanted to do too much due diligence up front, before putting in an offer. I don't know if this is relevant to your situation or not, just food for thought. Take care, and good luck!

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    13y

    @Chad Clanton is correct.

    You have outs, so there is nothing wrong with just tying one up and going through the steps of trying to market it.

    Here's how I see it. Pretty much everyone who steps into this "wants" to make it happen. A select few "WANT" to make it happen, so badly they will do ANYTHING to make it happen. This forum is littered with overwritten action plans filled with motivation and goals only to suddenly vanish into obscurity.

    I'm not saying this to discourage you, I'm suggesting that you focus 100% of your energy on finding a deal and NOTHING else. Not even posting here, if you can channel that energy and put everything you have into finding that deal you'll get it. Then come back and we'll help you find a way to sell it.

    Cheers,

  • Real Estate Investor · Little Rock, AR · Member since 2013 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    Hi Eric,

    We met at one of those meet ups and I too was a student of said mentor for a couple of months. Like you I also had some qualms but decided that I was not learning anything new and the buyers list was his secret weapon.

    I have started building my own local buyers list, mainly by looking up those who are buying houses bellow retail in the areas I am looking at property. Then writing an introductory letter. This has worked well and I do now have a short list.

    Karin

  • Real Estate Investor · Little Rock, AR · Member since 2013 · 126 posts · 65 votes
    13y

    @Tim G.

    I appreciate your response. I've read and gained a lot from other posts you have been involved in. I have a few bookmarked as well. I've set a goal to get a property under contract within a month. It's a reasonable timeline.

    This morning I've followed up with some old leads and two still have not closed. One is super motivated but the place is a wreck. I'll post more in the deals area and link to it from here later. I wrote a follow up e-mail with the commercial realtor and he responded to set up lunch later this week. I got in contact with a Realtor friend and he set up his MLS to push me properties with certain conditions. Last night I wrote another article for my site and tuned it for a key word phrase. I used this article on ezinearticles to get a new external link from a new source pointing to my site. Once it goes live I will social media share it and build more links. I followed up with a landlord who is dealing with an eviction and due to his age, he is ready to get out of the rental business. He is motivated but it's a tough one since there is the eviction being worked and it's hard to know how the tenant will leave the property. I'm mainly just keeping in touch to maintain the lead. He presents motivated. Lastly, I tell a lot of people I work around in the medical field what I do and give out cards. I contacted a nurse this AM who must sell to deal with major medical expenses in her family. She is very emotionally tied to the house, so she is currently offering only 10k less than ARV which she thinks is a great deal. I'm going to go look at it tomorrow and work on educating her and to look at the property. Being a newer house she states that the property is in very nice condition and maybe some slight paint and carpet cleaning. I'll make the wholesale offer, but this seems like a property better suited for a Lease Option or maybe even owner financing. This is another I need to post in deals... I don't have enough capital set aside. This is where I wish I had a better network.

    I say all that to say I take similar actions to this most days that I can. Days I work, I commit to work. I don't need to be focused on anything when dealing with patients. I again appreciate your directness in reply and definitely take it to heart.

  • Real Estate Investor · Little Rock, AR · Member since 2013 · 126 posts · 65 votes
    13y

    @Chad Clanton

    Yes, I have been wanting to do a lot of due diligence. Mine mainly stems from wanting to be as honest a business and individual as I can. I take shortcuts on something's, but I don't want to when it comes to someone else. I think I will use the out mentioned but be sure to disclose it in a manner that doesn't scare the seller away. Thanks again.

  • Real Estate Investor · Little Rock, AR · Member since 2013 · 126 posts · 65 votes
    13y

    @Karin Demonbreun

    Just know its not my intention to bash this person at all. I respect his position and he is running a business. I've tried to reach out by contacting cash buyers in the area. I've had little luck and it probably has a lot to do with not being established enough. I like the idea of a letter. When I find a property that is a "maybe" I'll search the neighborhood for properties owned by companies or obvious investors. Tracking them down can sometimes be difficult and most that I have gotten in touch with are no longer looking to buy more. I really think the REIA meeting would be my best bet to start really getting that network going. I've reached out to a few members from there but most have just said "well come to the next meeting and let us meet you." Will do. Thanks for the reply Karin and hopefully our paths will cross and we will work together one day.

  • Real Estate Investor · Little Rock, AR · Member since 2013 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    I know you are not bashing, and neither am I. This was just not a fit for me, and obviously not for you either. I joined the REIA a couple of months ago and will look forward to seeing you there at the next meeting.

  • Real Estate Investor · Little Rock, AR · Member since 2013 · 126 posts · 65 votes
    13y

    For those of you following the thread I have posted one of my deal analysis on BP at

    http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/88-real-estate-deal-analysis-and-advice/topics/101297-deal-analysis---the-roof-smasher

    It's not the best lead ive ever gotten, but it is one that still has intrest and I can work on right now.

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