How to split partnership between active and passive investors?

How to split partnership between active and passive investors?

Rental Property Investor · Castle Rock, CO · Member since 2017 · 335 posts · 387 votes

I own several very successful self-managed vacation rental properties in other states and am looking to invest in several more with partners (family/friends). I bring experience and knowledge in the local market, contacts (agent, cleaners, maintenance, lenders) and a proven track record. I intend to self-manage the properties. Since they are short-term vacation rentals the level of effort is much higher than an LTR. My partner will bring most of the money and does not want to manage the properties.

I’m looking for a way to split the deal that is fair to all.

Scenario A: I take a management fee off the top, and we split profit based on the investment that each made (let’s say it was 90% investor/10% manager). This is easy and obvious. The problem is the manager (me) isn’t making much off the deal and is really acting as a PM not an investor – yet is bringing the deal to the table, doing all the work and making it happen.

Scenario B: I take a management fee off the top, my partner puts up all the down payment, I put up nothing, we split ownership and profits 50/50, but I owe him my half of the down payment – either as a lien held until we sell, or I pay the “loan” back out of my profits over the course of a couple years.

Scenario C: I put up a lesser amount of the down payment - say 20% versus his 80%. We split ownership and profit 50/50. No management fee. Basically I’m getting half equity for less than half of the initial investment because of the substantial management effort.

At the end of the day the question is, is it reasonable to obtain a higher ownership & profit stake in a property because you brought the deal and did all the work?  Or is being paid for your effort in the form of a management fee a better fairer method of compensation?

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  • Rental Property Investor · La Quinta, CA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 779 votes
    7y

    You should be compensated for sourcing the deal, and setting up the rental, coordinating purchase, rehab, furniture and furnishings, utilities accounts, etc, etc.

    And then separately compensated for ongoing property management, of a property that has been set up as a suitable rental.  The rate their varies significantly I know here it is typically 25-35% for anyone that does full service property management.

  • Specialist · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2013 · 227 posts · 158 votes
    7y

    Congratulations on your success. I hope it continues to increase. So I won't mention the pitfalls, risk and overall dangers of partnering with family, it seems that you have already made up your mind about that and it wasn't the question. So I'll stick to answering your question from my experience when working with partners. All of your scenarios seemed reasonable. And what I mean by that is you don't seem like you are trying to take advantage of your partners. But what you're asking is more of a personal preference between two or more people. Scenario A might be what I would choose, while scenario C might be something your family member might choose. Personally, how I would do it, if possible if have a meeting with all parties involved. Walk them through each scenario, while also telling them your bottom line what you're willing to accept.

    When I've had a meeting with all partners together in the beginning of a deal, and we agreed on terms in the beginning together it created far fewer headaches during the time we worked together because it was transparent and everyone had input. I think this has worked well because everyone had buy-in in the beginning and no one felt they were being cheated.

    You still have a lot of control because you are the one creating the options for them to choose from but they still feel empowered because they have a choice. 

    I hope this makes sense. 

    Good luck. I look forward to hearing how it goes.

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