It is also more common in the private money space, to bait and switch.

You can also message me if this is an option you're seriously considering and I'm happy to chat with you about BiggerPocket's private community for syndication investors called PassivePockets.

I suspect that you'll have better luck with a local bank or private money, though it likely will still be challenging. 

Typically, the initial upfront for the rehab is either cash or a high interest loan (hard money or private). 

What is not helpful is the assumption that some responders made that the root cause is the PM's communication style was not to my "liking".

They were a hard money / private mortgage lender out of Las Vegas doing about $30 million annually.

I have heard of cabin / mountain market STR operators doing some kind of hiking package, or way to connect a guest to a private tour guide for an "upcharge" which gives the hike tour guide an income and the STR operator a nice upcharge too. 

Financial Highlights•Acquisition Price: $72,000•Renovation Costs: $35,600•Total Investment: $107,600•Funds: raised from personal savings and private lender How did you add value to the deal?

If you’re looking to connect with private lenders, start by tapping into your existing network—friends, family, and colleagues can often be a great starting point.

There are much better options to learn Sub To and better people than the gators who in fact will be the subject of a private lenders conference next week.