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All Forum Posts by: Scott Stelzer

Scott Stelzer has started 1 posts and replied 6 times.

Post: Renatus Investment Coach/ Mentor

Scott StelzerPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 16

Hi Marisa,

I may catch some flak for this, on this site.  I'm a current Renatus student in Chicago, based at the same Downer's Grove office you probably visited.  I've just been a student for a little over a month.  I believe, personally, that it's the right fit for me.   But I'm not going to say that everyone/anyone NEEDS a Renatus education to succeed in Real Estate.  It's true as other posters have stated, that that there is a LOT of information right here in the BiggerPockets community.  In fact, I usually listed to BP podcasts on my Thursday commutes to the office for study groups.

What Renatus and the Downers Grove office study groups give me are the comprehensive, structured education, followed through in study groups, and a community of students and mentors who have gone through the classes and have gone on to make a number of successful deals. There is a group accountability to complete the classes, there are discussion groups to make sure concepts are covered, there are regular events (these events are NOT visiting "gurus" whose appearance is aimed at selling additional products).

You would be with people whom you will be in a 'graduating class' with, have had education together with in study groups, and will be able to do deals with. I've gotten to know several of the other students and instructors pretty well in the short time I've been with them. There are a number of other activities hosted by the Downers Grove office: Today after work I visited a fix and flip in Barrington that's about to go on the market - where Renatus students who participated are going to make a ton of money. After that, I traveled down to Downers Grove and in a small group I played the Cash Flow 101 game. This is a "Rich Dad" product aimed at training you how to think about real estate investments at a broad level. (Other Chicagoland REIA's also host "Cash Flow nights" for the same purpose).

If you do not pursue Renatus education, you can find communities of Chicago investors through REIA groups, including Meetups which are listed here. I'm sure Brie Schmidt has already reached out to you if you have made an introduction here, and she can probably steer you to her REIA group. If you tend to work better with some structured education and with a group of people who will motivate you, hold you accountable, and keep you from procrastinating, and if you can commit to traveling to the Downer's Grove office on at least a weekly basis (Thursday nights), then Renatus may be a good fit for you, at the $2k "Essentials" level.

Renatus DOES have an education marketing side, which is completely optional. Myself, I'm not focusing on that. In fact, when I was first introduced to Renatus, the education marketing side gave me red flags, since I perceived it to be a MLM. I like to steer far away from MLM's and have had a couple MLM's pitched at me which I've declined in the past.  I feel education marketing is 180 degrees from what I want to do. But I can understand their argument that you need to learn to market to be successful in real estate anyway -- whether it's marketing yourself, your abilities, your properties for wholesale, for rent, for sale, etc. The company's arguments for giving students the option to market its education are:  1) it keeps the money in the community where it can be reinvested rather than sending it to ad agencies or other advertising vehicles, 2) It allows students another mode of cash flow so they can build an operating/investing budget with which to start their RE investing 3) It helps train students to become salespeople, and this discipline is valuable in real estate. 

I personally think that Renatus' idea to market the education this way also gives them a terrible image problem, considering that I resisted the first opportunity to join because I checked up on Renatus online and concluded it was an MLM scam, and you can see that there are many who bring up the "MLM" label in regard to the education sales.  I personally am not focused on selling the Renatus education. You'll see that I do not have any kind of link in my bio or in this message pointing you at any kind of place you can register. In fact, this post is the first time I have ever mentioned the company on Bigger Pockets. 

Whatever your decision, I wish you all the luck in your investing career. If you sign up, I will NOT get a commission based on your decision - that would go to the person who recruited you through the Craigslist ad.

Post: Commercial vs. Multifamily buy and hold. Which would you purchase or avoid and why?

Scott StelzerPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 16

Thanks Brie...it's always those little details that can cause a lot of trouble, I guess!

Post: New member in Chicago

Scott StelzerPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 16

Thank you for the welcomes, everyone! @Brie Schmidt , I'd like to head out to Norwood Park on the 19th. I'll make it my homework to solidify my goals and strategy before showing up at the CAREIA meeting!

Post: New member in Chicago

Scott StelzerPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 16

Hi Jeff,

89 podcasts is a lot of time, but I've put much more time into much less worthwhile endeavors! 

I like the idea of buy and hold, probably because the idea of eventually having a "salary replacement" in the form of rental income streams is appealing.  I think that will definitely be part of my strategy.

However, I want to learn more about different kinds of real estate investing so that I can be a more versatile investor and take advantage of the wider range of opportunities I might find.  I'm also concerned about the "opportunity cost" that buying and holding may represent - if I have my cash tied to an asset that I'm holding long, what else could that cash be doing?   Maybe I'm suffering from "analysis paralysis," which is why I've been looking around for some good training or coursework (versus fly by night scams, of course).

Thank you for the advice and question.

Post: New member in Chicago

Scott StelzerPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 16

Hello Bigger Pockets community!

I'm a new Chicago-based member, currently trying to come up with a realistic set of investing goals for myself and a strategy to get there.  I have a great career in IT right now, but I'd like to start a new career in real estate investment to secure a better, earlier retirement.

I've always been a little stubborn about going it alone on most of my personal projects, but I've recently come to learn how valuable it is in real estate investing to collaborate with a community of specialists, experts and mentors.

I'm going to stick around here and soak up information, and attend some local REIA meetings as well. I hope to meet some of you there!

Post: New BiggerPockets Member Kasey Ryan

Scott StelzerPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 16

Hi Kasey, 

I too am in Chicago. Well, technically I can't really welcome you since I created my profile after you did, but I'm glad to see there is good Chicago representation here. :) Like you, I'm getting my feet wet with investing.  However, I have very limited experience from simply purchasing my own home in Chicago in a smart way after the market downturn.