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All Forum Posts by: Nicholas Misch

Nicholas Misch has started 8 posts and replied 292 times.

Post: David’s comments on cash flow markets vs growing markets

Nicholas Misch
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Quote from @Joshua Noth:

@Amir Navabpour You're definitely right, there is "risk" with investing, and no different for "long term plays" like appreciation and rent growth.  At the same time however, cash flow markets are not "risk free".  

What if your property in Cleveland never gets a tenant? Suddenly the property is stagnantly sitting, not making you any cash, and doesn't appreciate quickly to make it worth while. At least in a market such as Austin (just where I'm most familiar), even without a tenant, that property can increase in value by 74k in a year (median sales price increase of Austin SFH from Feb 2021 to Feb 2022 according to Austin Board of Realtors). Areas like Round Rock saw even more aggressive growth (median increase of 104k, same source).

Like @Nicholas Misch mentioned, for some people however, there is no option, possibly for their current financial situation.  In their calculations, the "risk" of not getting a tenant does not outweigh the potential cash flow they can achieve from the property, and those quick turnaround paychecks are necessary.  

Well said. Just to clarify I have the cash that I could let sit in a property until it appreciates, however my financial plan calls for a certain number of cash flow before I shift my focus more to long term wealth, so that’s what i meant by cash flow is most necessary for me now. 

Post: Neighbor has no credit history- being denied mortgage

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Quote from @Eli Rods:

Hi fellow BPers,

Need your help for a friend of mine.

He was denied a mortgage loan by Citi Bank because he is self employed. He has 3 weeks left to find another mortgage since he’s in contract.

Used to be an investment banker. He is not a W2 employee and doesn’t have much credit history because he doesn’t use a credit card very often. Not does he have a car or other assets with ongoing payments. He has an excellent debt to Income ratio and was very diligent in providing 2 years of solid income and payment history.

I know his lack of credit history is a tough one here. Can someone advise here?

I know for a fact if he has a good DTI and no negative credit like late payments (which he shouldn’t if he doesn’t currently use credit) he can find a lender who can get him financed. He will just have to really contact several lenders.

Post: David’s comments on cash flow markets vs growing markets

Nicholas Misch
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Quote from @Amir Navabpour:

@Nicholas Misch I see that, but goodness how long? When I look at what rents to costs to own are you’d be waiting decades to cash flow. In the Bay Area for example you’d be lucky to get a .25 rent to price ratio. Even when I buy 1 percent deals often times I’m breaking even cause things inevitably go wrong


 I am in total agreement. All I know is I need cash flow now for my cash invested. Cleveland market is still appreciating as well as most of the U.S. I re-fi'd several properties last year in the Cleveland market due to appreciation and all signs point to continued appreciation for years to come due to restrained housing supply as well as increasing rents. I expect to continue to get cash flow and appreciation on my current and future purchases and I don't see an end in site at this point. 

Post: Property Manager Fees for Townhomes

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Quote from @Madhan Nellaiyappan:

Hi everyone, 

We are considering converting our current residence - 3 BR 3.5 BA 2300 sqft 2013 built Townhome in Cleveland - to a long term rental when we move out of Cleveland. There are about 70 townhomes in our community and the HOA takes care of snow removal/deck/exterior maintenance(~250$/mo). What would be the fees usually charged by property managers for such a unit?

Thank you all for your input.

I generally shy away from owning anything with an HOA as a landlord. Usually a pain, even more so from a distance. On top of that something of that size and low profit for a property manager will generally get poor attention and treatment. Not to mention between the HOA and property managers profit I can't imagine it will leave you enough profit each month to be worth the headache. I would sell and use your funds if you can make a profit and buy something else since any profit will be tax free since you lived in it.

Post: David’s comments on cash flow markets vs growing markets

Nicholas Misch
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Quote from @Amir Navabpour:

Recently on the podcast I’ve noticed David advocating pretty strongly for growing markets: Austin, California, Denver etc and being more bearish on cash flowing markets: Cleveland, Detroit. Most recently he spoke of how these cash flowing markets have high turnover of investors who end up exiting the game, in favor of the growing markets. I’m curious if anyone has gone through that process? Personally I can’t imagine it, as it’s hard enough finding good cash flow in the 2nd/3rd tier markets. To me any growing market is almost certain to be negative in cash flow and it feels more like you’d be speculating and hoping for appreciation and rent growth. Curious for any who have exited a cash flow market to go to a growing market, what am I missing?

He also said recently on several podcasts that because of his financial position he can purchase a property even if he is losing money to wait out the appreciation. That could be a game I could play someday, but unfortunately for now, any cash I invest must provide me immediate return / cash flow. 

Post: Advice on House Flip in Cleveland

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Quote from @JJ Espinoza:

Hello all - I am new to flipping properties in Cleveland and I need some advice, here is the situation: 

Situation

1. Purchased a 3 Bed, 2 Bath in Parma, OH for $83K

2. The tenant is not paying rent and we are in the processing of evicting

3. Property needs new roof, new siding, rewiring of electrical and cosmetic interior rehab

Questions

1. If the tenant is removed, do you think we can sell the property for $100K given its condition?

2. If not, what repairs above would you do to maximize the profit of this flip (roof, siding, rewiring of electrical or cosmetic interior rehab)? 


 Hey JJ,

My 3 br rental in Parma appraised for $120k last summer. It has a new roof and chimney but not many other updates. I’d have to run comps for you to give you my best estimate, but I think you should easily be able to sell over $100k. I’d say if you just did the roof you could prob get $120-$130. (That’s just an off the cuff thought without actually seeing more and checking comps) I hope this helps. 


Post: New Member in Cleveland, OH looking to Network

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Quote from @Micah Uveges:

Good morning Bigger Pockets community,

I am brand new to BP and I am looking to start investing in real estate in the Cleveland, OH area. I'm excited to be a part of this group, and if anyone has recommendations on local clubs or associations in Ohio that I can join I would greatly appreciate it!

Thank you,

Micah


 Hey Micah, welcome to BP and real estate investing. Obviously right here is a great place to network 😃! Cleveland has 2 real estate investment associations, the Greater Cleveland Real Estate Investing association and the Great Lakes Real Estate Investment Association. you can also find many other local groups by looking on Meetup.com. If I can help in any way feel free to reach out. 

Post: Our first rental property

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Amazing job! Now the sky's the Limit!

Post: What are some best passive income strategies?

Nicholas Misch
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Quote from @Barry Ratliff:

Looking to invest in low involvement real estate passive income strategies in Texas.


 Of course syndication would be the most hands off if you want vs highest return. I also like note investing and platforms like Fundrise that returned around 22% last year. 

Post: Looking for the best out of state market!

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Quote from @Shannon Park:

Hi All! My name is Shannon and I live in San Francisco, CA. Currently 28 yo and have around 100k ready to invest. I am very new to real estate and currently do not own any properties. I and am looking for a market that will possible provide me some cash flow + appreciation. I am honestly very overwhelmed with which state I should be looking in. I hear mixed reviews about investing in Texas because of the high property tax. But I know a good deal works well in any market. Texas, Indiana, Kentucky, Wisconsin, Tennessee, Florida? How do I narrow down my search ?

I like Cleveland, and it's Subs. I am biased though. :) Cash flow very possible with bonus appreciation. Ultimately though it depends on what your looking to accomplish and what type of property you want to do it with.