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Posted about 14 years ago

Which comes first, the deal or the funding?

I saw a post the other day from an investor who was told he had to get the contract (deal) before he could get funding.  Another poster disagreed, and told him that wasn't true.  In the interests of not hijacking the thread, I thought I would post some information that might be useful.   It is very desirable to line up funding for your deal before you sign and contract and put up your earnest money.  If you are using conventional residential funding for that deal, it is easy, since pre-approvals are the norm in the conventional residential financing world.     If you have a private source of funds - an equity partner or a private lender you have worked with - it might also be easy because of the one-on-one relationship you have developed.    If you are being told you have to get the deal before you can get the funding, you are probably hearing that from hard money lenders.  With a few specific exceptions,  I don't know any hard money lenders who will look at and actually approve a deal until there is a likelihood of it actually becoming a deal.   And here is why: 4716   I get sometimes a dozen calls in a day from people who want me to approve the deal before they've made the offer.  Remember, this is a hard money loan based on the property, the amount of cash in the deal (skin in the game) and the experience level and exit strategy of the borrower.     In order to tell if I'm likely to approve a deal, I have to know all about the cash available, the rehab plan, and then I have to pull comp sales to figure out the ARV.  I have to decide which sales are true comps and which skew the results.   I then look at the available houses on the market that are going to be competition based on the projected selling price and location, and time of year.   And all before the buyer has even made an offer!  In the best of circumstances, this takes about 1/2 hour if I have no interruptions, sometimes up to an hour depending on the deal.  If I did nothing else all day, there goes 6 hours of my day.  And of these inquiries, maybe one in 30 or 40 actually becomes an accepted contract.
 I can spend my entire day looking at deals that never happen, or I can spend my day approving funding for deals under contract where the buyer needs to close quickly.  If you are a buyer who needs to close quickly because the clock is ticking on your deal, which would you rather?   An exception that was referenced above would be a repeat borrower that I have done business with already.  In that case, I of course will look at a deal while they are in negotiations. 
We all have to make decisions on how to prioritize our time, but the above illustration is to explain why you may be told that you need to get the deal before you can get the funding.  If you can get true project approval before you sign on the dotted line, all the better, but if you can't, this may be why. 

Comments (6)

  1. Nice post! Either of the two happens. It's a case-to-case basis.


  2. Again, sorry to take so long to respond, my settings are screwy. Chris, you are right on the money. I founded the BostonAREIA and we started a mentorship program. It fizzled because the people who sign up for mentorship programs are the people who want everything done for them. They will order business cards and spend money on asset protection, but not make offers. They will analyze one deal to death. So they never get deals. Part of our program taught them how to set up their systems, too, and we found that setting up the systems was where they stopped. So you are right on the money: make the offers, and then worry about what to do with it when it gets accepted. Also, don't spend your time on REO's, spend it on motivated sellers.


  3. Ann - I am one of those who advise real estate investors all the time about the need to get the deal before they get the funding. I am by no means a real estate educator, but I do belong to several masterminds and speak at different real estate conferences at least once a month. I have nothing for sale when i speak, usually just sharing my experience. And FYI, I am not a hard money lender :) What I find 90% of the time are investors who are not doing deals because they are focusing on the all of the wrong things. Usually they are focusing on forming corporations, designing business cards, making websites, raising funding and 25 other tasks that basically are non-essential until you actually are doing deals. We always advise new investors that the single most important task they can perform (after market research of course) is make offers and begin finding deals. There are obviously a ton of due-diligence tasks that investors need to do, but a steadfast rule of thumb has always been that money can be found for a great deal. In my opinion only, I think the reason many real estate investors fail is the fear of making enough offers to find the deals that allow them to keep going. So many focus on tasks in the wrong order. I give my advice simply to encourage investors to make more offers, find the right deal and the money can almost always be found. You had a great post and obviously you already have several good comments so please keep posting. Chris


  4. Nice post! This is a constant problem for syndicators too. You need the great deal flow to attract money, but you need money to attract great deal flow!


  5. I can see where a HML would want to examine a deal before funding. It's also important though to understand where your potential funding may come from prior to searching for deals. Most of us are limited as to the amount cash on hand to use as a down payment and need good relationships that can lend on good deals.


  6. Ann, I think you touched upon the solution. If you are working with private investors one on one, you want to get the funds available and then find deals. Conversely, working with HML's you need to review the deal before the funding.