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Updated about 5 years ago, 10/10/2019
Wholetailing experience, anyone?
Hello all,
I have a potential deal up in the White mountains of NH.
It would be my first wholetail deal, actually first deal of any kind real estate related.
its in an area (white mountains of NH) that has a market that moves homes at a slower, but consistent pace. The homes in the area are seasonal winter homes. This particular home is in good structural shape, needs a lot of touch ups, but is move in ready (family of 5 currently there).
Ive set the expectations that it could take a while to sell the home because of the location but they seem fine with that. We've come pretty close on a price and the margins give a lot of wiggle room to adjust the price to get it moved if need be.
Where I need help is with finding a buyer. Since I'm Wholetailing, I need to find a buyer that wants to move into it as is, but I'm not so sure it would pass inspection.
with that being said, what's the best way to advertise my equitable interest in the property to people looking for fixer uppers as a move in home?
@Jesse Kozazcki come to the REIA meeting this Wednesday in Manchester. There is a buy/sell segment with lots of buyers in the room
Originally posted by @Jessica Stevenson:
@Jesse Kozazcki come to the REIA meeting this Wednesday in Manchester. There is a buy/sell segment with lots of buyers in the room
Is that the NHREIA one at the Best Western?
I think you might be confusing some terminology. I don't think you need to limit yourself to a buyer who is looking to move in.
Wholetailing typically means that you are listing the property on the MLS rather than wholesaling it off-market to an investor from your buyers list or network. It doesn't mean that the buyer has to be owner-occ.
Also, it generally means that you are closing on the property yourself and then reselling it, although some investors do list properties on the MLS that they haven't closed on, with the intention of a concurrent closing.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but based on your comment about setting the expectation that it may take a while to find a buyer, I'm thinking that you are looking to assign your interest. First of all, if this is the case, bravo for being transparent with the seller rather than leading them to believe that you are the cash buyer until the last minute. What I don't get is why you think you need to find an owner-occ buyer? If you got the property under contract at a discount, you should be able to assign it to an investor who wants to spruce it up and sell it or hold it as a rental.
Anyway, @Jessica Stevenson already gave you the best advice; which is to go the meeting and talk to buyers and other wholesalers about ways to get it done.
Happy investing,
Troy
Originally posted by @Troy Zsofka:
I think you might be confusing some terminology. I don't think you need to limit yourself to a buyer who is looking to move in.
Wholetailing typically means that you are listing the property on the MLS rather than wholesaling it off-market to an investor from your buyers list or network. It doesn't mean that the buyer has to be owner-occ.
Also, it generally means that you are closing on the property yourself and then reselling it, although some investors do list properties on the MLS that they haven't closed on, with the intention of a concurrent closing.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but based on your comment about setting the expectation that it may take a while to find a buyer, I'm thinking that you are looking to assign your interest. First of all, if this is the case, bravo for being transparent with the seller rather than leading them to believe that you are the cash buyer until the last minute. What I don't get is why you think you need to find an owner-occ buyer? If you got the property under contract at a discount, you should be able to assign it to an investor who wants to spruce it up and sell it or hold it as a rental.
Anyway, @Jessica Stevenson already gave you the best advice; which is to go the meeting and talk to buyers and other wholesalers about ways to get it done.
Happy investing,
Troy
Troy, thanks for the response!
the reason I am thinking owner occ is because the price at what the sellers want - it's not low enough for an investor to have a suitable ROI.
Transparency for me is key, it helps set up expectations and makes the whole deal smoother. I am customer oriented so making sure they are happy throughout the process is vital.
#4 Wholesaling Contributor
- Wholesaler
- Austin TX
@Jesse Kozazcki If the price the sellers want is too high for an investor to make a return then the property isnt a deal. I think there is a little confusion on the terminology here. Wholetailing is when a wholesaler buys a property, does a few minor projects and then resells to a buyer (investor) who is going to tackle the entire rehab. A great example would be a hoarder house that a wholesaler buys, cleans out and then lists on the MLS for investors to buy and actually rehab.
I think that if the sellers want a price thats close to retail then its not a deal. Your only option would be to buy it yourself, make the minor improvements you say the property needs to make it financeable and then sell it. But it sounds like the price they want doesnt leave room for this to be profitable. So its probably time to move on to the next deal, since this isnt one.
Originally posted by @Lydia R.:
@Jesse Kozazcki If the price the sellers want is too high for an investor to make a return then the property isnt a deal. I think there is a little confusion on the terminology here. Wholetailing is when a wholesaler buys a property, does a few minor projects and then resells to a buyer (investor) who is going to tackle the entire rehab. A great example would be a hoarder house that a wholesaler buys, cleans out and then lists on the MLS for investors to buy and actually rehab.
I think that if the sellers want a price thats close to retail then its not a deal. Your only option would be to buy it yourself, make the minor improvements you say the property needs to make it financeable and then sell it. But it sounds like the price they want doesnt leave room for this to be profitable. So its probably time to move on to the next deal, since this isnt one.
Thanks for the response, but that is not how Wholetailing works in my definition or from what I've seen from a number of "gurus" on YouTube.
Because I don't need to deduct the 30% ROI for the investors profit, the property is still a deal for the end buyer. They purchase the property at a reduced price, fix it up as they want, and build instant equity. Also, the price the seller wants isn't close to retail, but isn't close to wholesale price, leaving it ideal for Wholetailing.
However, I do understand what you mean in your definition. Your definition though, assumes I am purchasing the property and putting some work into it myself, I am not doing that. I am simply taking the contract and assigning it to the end buyer.
so instead of the normal formula :
ARV*70% - repair costs - assignment fee = contract price
it looks like :
ARV - repair costs - assignment fee(variable) = contract price
#4 Wholesaling Contributor
- Wholesaler
- Austin TX
@Jesse Kozazcki I think the mistake is believing anything that the “gurus” are saying. Also, if you are just making up definitions for things then it makes it really difficult to be on the same page as anyone else when discussing real estate.
What you just described is a wholesale deal. With little profit to your end buyer but a wholesale deal nonetheless. You are doing a straightup assignment, but not leaving any room for an investor to profit. A wholetail is a combination of the concepts of wholesale and retail. Wholesale+Retail= wholetail. The definition of that is NOT selling a wholesale (assignment) deal at a retail price or to a retail buyer which is what you are trying to claim wholetailing is. It also means that your end buyer has to be an owner occupant because any investor is going to be looking for a profit whereas an owner occupant is not. However an owner occupant is most likely going to be purchasing the property using some kind of bank financing. Guess what banks wont do? Finance a buyer trying to buy a property from someone who doesnt own it.
At the end of the day if you can find an investor that wants to buy a property from you with very little profit in it for them then thats what you will do. Good luck to you!
Originally posted by @Lydia R.:
@Jesse Kozazcki I think the mistake is believing anything that the “gurus” are saying. Also, if you are just making up definitions for things then it makes it really difficult to be on the same page as anyone else when discussing real estate.
What you just described is a wholesale deal. With little profit to your end buyer but a wholesale deal nonetheless. You are doing a straightup assignment, but not leaving any room for an investor to profit. A wholetail is a combination of the concepts of wholesale and retail. Wholesale+Retail= wholetail. The definition of that is NOT selling a wholesale (assignment) deal at a retail price or to a retail buyer which is what you are trying to claim wholetailing is. It also means that your end buyer has to be an owner occupant because any investor is going to be looking for a profit whereas an owner occupant is not. However an owner occupant is most likely going to be purchasing the property using some kind of bank financing. Guess what banks wont do? Finance a buyer trying to buy a property from someone who doesnt own it.
At the end of the day if you can find an investor that wants to buy a property from you with very little profit in it for them then thats what you will do. Good luck to you!
Hmm,
This article seems to be on the same page as what I am trying to do:
https://www.biggerpockets.com/member-blogs/1257/14300-what-is-wholetailing-