What if tenant prevents access to property?

What if tenant prevents access to property?

Paul KubinPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Fort Smith, AR · Member since 2020 · 53 posts · 48 votes

Short version of the story:  

-My mom has dementia, is out of money, and has been moved to an independent facility.  The house is owned outright, but she is otherwise broke.  We are loaning her estate 5K/mo to pay for her stay a the facility.

-We served my deadbeat sister who has mooched off mom for years, rent-free, with eviction papers.  Except for the deadbeat sister, the house is empty. No furniture, utensils, food, carpet, etc.  Utilities are on, but otherwise, it's a bare house. 

-We notified the deadbeat sister, in writing as required, (72 and) 24 hours in advance that the carpet installers were coming today.

-When the installers arrived (they had the door code), she fled to her bedroom and screamed at them until they left (without carpeting any of the house).

Is this grounds to terminate her tenancy immediately?  It's going to cost us a minimum of $500 more to have the installers come back another day.  I'd make her pay for it, but she has no money.

What else can we do?

***Before you criticize me/us for evicting my sister, it's not something my other sisters and I ever wanted.  We gave her plenty over a year of warning about the situation, and have tried to work with her, but she will not communicate with us in any way.  We offered cash for keys, which she didn't respond to.  At this rate, we'll be selling the house in winter, and that's gonna hurt my mom's finances huge.

Any community thoughts / advice would be greatly appreciated.  

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Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
4y
Quote from @Paul Kubin:

You can't trespass her. You have to go through a formal eviction. 

I recommend you hire an attorney with experience. Once they start serving her with notice of termination, there's a very good chance she'll realize it's a lost cause and move out. If not, just go through the process of eviction and get her out. It may cost a little and take a little time, but you'll be happy you hired a professional and did it right the first time.


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  • Ben ScottPro Member
    Property Manager · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2019 · 577 posts · 351 votes
    4y

    So sounds like she has no lease agreement and no ownership stake? Pretty harsh but you might have to call the cops for trespassing. Sorry your fam is going through that.

  • Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2020 · 400 posts · 278 votes
    4y

    I'd agree with Ben. If there isn't a lease and it's your property, and not in your sisters name, you should be able to remove her. If she has ownership in the property, I guess that would be the biggest prevention to getting this done. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    4y

    I really don’t understand why you are installing carpet.  It sounds like she is a deadbeat and you will have to evict but I really wouldn’t do updates while she is in there.  The house will sell better with brand new carpet not newish that you are hoping she doesn’t damage.  She has no reason to cooperate if she is being evicted and people in desperate situations do strange things be patient and wait for her to be gone.  I’d also install security cameras and get a no trespass order so she doesn’t make her way back in through a window while it is vacant.  

  • Real Estate Consultant · Seattle, WA · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 784 votes
    4y

    Step 1 is getting the house vacant. yes, sounds like a formal eviction. Even if there is not a written lease agreement, your sister like gained the tenancy status by just being there. All the usual landlord tenant things now cone into play

    Step 2 is deciding what you want to do with the house. Rehab to sell? Rehab to rent? The budget and the finishes may be different depending on what path you choose.

    Step 2 can’t happen before Step 1 unless you are ok continuing with the status quo

  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    4y

    @Paul Kubin get a lawyer since this could be an ejectment or eviction depending on the agreement and if money changed hands.  My brother had this issue with some cousins who stayed with him.  He had to evict.  If she is acting like this I would wait on the carpet.  If you think she is disturbed you could ask for a welfare check by police when she acts up. I would worry she will damage any repairs you make.  

  • Rental Property Investor · Concord, GA · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    4y
    Just go through the eviction process. Sounds like the other methods you tried were unsuccessful.
  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    4y
    Quote from @Paul Kubin:

    You can't trespass her. You have to go through a formal eviction. 

    I recommend you hire an attorney with experience. Once they start serving her with notice of termination, there's a very good chance she'll realize it's a lost cause and move out. If not, just go through the process of eviction and get her out. It may cost a little and take a little time, but you'll be happy you hired a professional and did it right the first time.


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  • Paul KubinPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Fort Smith, AR · Member since 2020 · 53 posts · 48 votes
    3y

    In case anyone was interested, we went through the eviction process.  We assumed that my deadbeat sister probably didn't have the money or composure to hire an attorney to fight it, and she didn't.  She moved out on the night of the 60th day.  Changed the locks, eh voila, it's taken care of.

    Thanks all for your help!

  • Ben ScottPro Member
    Property Manager · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2019 · 577 posts · 351 votes
    3y

    I'm sure you're glad that's over with. Onward and upward.

  • Real Estate Broker · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2021 · 516 posts · 408 votes
    3y

    Sorry to hear about this situation... but yup, with no lease agreement in place and all of the violations it can't be hard to get rid of the "tenant"

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