​Offer Accepted: Almost $2 million under appraisal, but can we fu

​Offer Accepted: Almost $2 million under appraisal, but can we fu

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Investor · Santa Rosa, CA · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 7k+ votes

Offer Accepted:  Almost $2 million under appraisal, but can we fund it?

I fund most of my deals through some type of pooled investment, whether I raise money on a deal-by-deal basis or through a blind pool fund. It can be a stressful business…agreeing to purchase a property but still having to raise the funds to pay for it. The question always looms: “Can we fund it?”

I’m not alone, I read forum threads all the time from BPers trying to fund deals by raising money. And then there are always the “how do I do it” questions. The other day I got a PM with a question…”Do I find the deal first or do I find the investors first?” So I thought I’d start this thread, to give other BPers a peek behind the curtain…how do we do it, and can we do it every time? And what comes first, the deal or the investors?

Here’s the deal

The property is a fully entitled condominium development within commute distance of metro Phoenix. My good friend, @Serge S., a Phoenix local, leveraged his relationships to find this property and we are partnering on it. You might remember that Serge and I were on Podcast #152 alongside @Ben Leybovich. I’m sure that Ben can give us 152 reasons why we shouldn’t do this deal!

Back in the real estate heyday, a developer spent over $9 million acquiring the 15 acre infill property, entitling it for condos, building close to 30 class A units and constructing the complete infrastructure of utilities, streets, sidewalks, sound walls and common area amenities before the market suddenly came crashing down in the great financial collapse.

The property has since been operated by an equity fund that acquired the foreclosed property back at the bottom of the market. The units have been rented, but the land, shovel-ready for over 150 more units, has sat idle, like an old west ghost town. This fund subsequently liquidated all of their assets but had one remaining—this one, and they were just looking to give it away when Serge came into the picture.

So we are scooping it up, all of the fully-rented class A units and all of the land together with the improvements, all $9 million worth, for just $3 million! The property appraised two years ago, when the market was lower than it is now, for nearly $6 million. Who says you can’t find good deals in this market?

Funding it

So for a deal as “good” as this, why worry about funding? Don’t the gurus say that if you find a good deal the money will find you? I say “not true.” It’s not about the deal, it’s about the sponsor. It’s about track record. It’s about achieving success on previous deals. Oh yeah, it’s also about the deal.

But a deal like this isn’t one of those “straight down the fairway” deals. It has hair on it. First, it’s a development deal of sorts. As far as development deals go, it’s about as good as it gets because the entitlement risk, carrying costs, and high land development costs are mostly taken out of the equation. If we decide to build, we can build cheaper than anyone because all we have left is the vertical construction. But it’s not the typical, run-of-the-mill multifamily value-add deal that our investors are used to funding. This one is different. And the exit strategy is murky.

To complicate things further, we’ve closed $36 million of deals in the last 30 days, raising $10 million, so does that mean that our investor base is taxed to capacity? Will they have an appetite for this type of deal? The question remains to be answered, and I’ll answer it as it happens.

Who’s on first?

So to answer the question of whether the deal or the investor comes first…it’s the investors. It’s important to have plenty of investors on your list before you find the deal, so that you have more certainty of closing and mitigate your risk. If you don’t get your deal funded you have the ability to back out without losing your deposit (if you structure it right), but you’ll personally be out thousands of dollars in legal and due diligence costs. This is one of the costs of playing this game, it comes with the territory. If you find the deal first and then look for investors, you won’t have enough time to raise the money you need before you pass the point of no return.

So how will we do it? For the first step, we reached out to our investor waiting list. We told the story, and asked, “are you interested?” The responses started coming back almost immediately…there is interest! But will there be enough? That remains to be seen. Stay tuned.

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Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 904 votes
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Brian Burke , interested in hearing more, please send me details via PM.
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  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 904 votes
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    Brian Burke , interested in hearing more, please send me details via PM.
  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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    Brian excellent post and a lot of good points.... and take aways for those who are newer to the business... I agree we see this often with people on BP saying don't worry if its good you will find the money.. And as you point out that could be true with you have a track record  a Deep Rolodex ( you know that thing you put your contacts in)... but as a new investor I think shopping for the deals and spending all that time effort etc without some kind of financial commitments or baking is doing it backwards and can lead to frustration and disappointment.

    There is certainly a ton of cash out there and this Breixt dust up will probably have some more impact on cash fleeing to solid hard assets.

    I agree on deals also, they are like street cars one is always on the next corner.. but you have to have an open mind sometimes you have to venture out of your core competencies what worked 3 years ago might be saturated and you stay ahead of the mass's when your looking for new investment opportunities..  

    I was looking at a lot in PDX yesterday that we can put 100 Micro units on ... its only 3500 sq ft lot... pencils well.. but just going into due diligence.. and I have no clue were I would get the vertical financing but I think in these hot markets if you have the team and the equity those loans are there.

    Good luck on your latest target there in PHX.

  • Brian BurkePro Member
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    Investor · Santa Rosa, CA · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 7k+ votes
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    Thanks Jay! I totally agree...there are always deals out there, you just have to look for a strategy that fits the timing. That means that you might be doing projects this year that you wouldn't have even given a second look to last year. I've had so many development deals brought to me over the last few years. I wouldn't have come close to even considering them. But times change...and this deal has income and some of the risk is in the rear view mirror. I still wouldn't want to do a raw land deal!
  • Rental Property Investor · Phoenix/Lima, Arizona/OH · Member since 2012 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    Very interesting deal, @Brian Burke. You know me well, and you are right -- typically I'd tell you 100 reasons not ot do it. I think this deal is different!

    What's different here, and what's most attractive to me, is that it seems there are easily 5, 6, or 7 exit strategies that could work here. That is just not the case with a typical development deal. 

    What is challenging, though, is that -- there are easily 5,6 or 7 exits possible here :) 

    On one hand, while people do enjoy some ala carte, people get confused by too many choices; this is my experience. And when this happens - when the deal gets too hard, it often gets tossed. 

    On the other hand, I don't think I have seen a deal yet which lends itself to so many differing exit options. Translation - so many opportunities to profit!

    Basically, I see it this way:

    You are coming into this deal just ahead of the wave (and I think there will be a wave based on both micro and micro dynamics). Having all of these exit options simply allows you to bend and shape the exit, both in terms of timing and strategy, to accomodate the whims and desires of the marketplace, which I think will drive investor's returns! 

    That said, I think investors should be looking at this closely. This deal zags while everyone zigs, and that's how we make money - I think it's very interesting indeed!

    You may have heard - I will be in AZ within 2 months. I'll be living about 30 minutes away from this project. Would love to help if you guys need me.

  • Rental Property Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2010 · 390 posts · 599 votes
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    @Brian Burke interesting to see the follow on posts. This is a deal indeed only question is where is @Ben Leybovich and why is he not finding reasons not to do it?

  • Brian BurkePro Member
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    I was thinking the same thing, @Serge S.  Hey @Ben Leybovich what happened to you?  I was expecting a laundry list of reasons why Serge and I have lost our minds.  But, you do raise a good point.  There are multiple potential exits (I came up with 8), but I think that there are three exits that are the most viable:  1. Sell the existing units individually to recapture our purchase price, then either sell off the land for someone else to develop the rest.  2. Same as 1 except build the rest ourselves, but most likely with a different design and lower density than is there already or 3. Sell the entire project later and don't develop anything.  This may offer the smoothest path and lowest risk, and there are some macro forces at play that make this option very possible.

    As an update for today...we reached out to our existing investors and have received quite a few indications of interest.  That's a good early sign. 

    Our due diligence will begin later this week.  I'll update on how that process progresses.  Meanwhile, we are gathering up insurance quotes and engaging in preliminary negotiations with our lender.  We are aiming for non-recourse financing but this would be a fairly small loan which makes non-recourse harder to find unless we are willing to accept high rates, which we'd rather avoid.

  • Novato, CA · Member since 2013 · 52 posts · 28 votes
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    Working in the capacity of SVP/Investor Relations, I find myself regularly in the trenches trying to get my finger on the pulse of the investor.  Markets have cycles, yes...but so do investors.

    When it comes to identifying the potential investor appetite for a strategy that strays from the pack, it really comes down to education and managing expectations.

    What was the investment 'du jour' three years ago, may now be completely out of vogue. For example, the Institutional SFR Buy & Hold strategy that was all the rage and generated headlines on a regular basis is now winding down except for a few states which are late comers to the party.

    In the early stages of this strategy, you couldn't convince anyone to lift up their mattress and test the water. Of course, hindsight being what it is...we all know about the shoulda, coulda, wouldas.

    Having a great story to tell as part of the education process is the foundation upon which traction from investors can be generated. Multiple exit strategies are fabulous, especially since my crystal ball broke, as long as the investor can be educated as to a range of potential returns...with an emphasis on the minimum expected scenario. (managing expectations) 

    Of course, a solid, proven track record certainly helps.

  • Brian BurkePro Member
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    Things are moving along...we are about 1/3 of the way into our Due diligence period. 

    To start off, I flew down to Phoenix and @Serge S. and I conducted the first phase of our on-site DD. We inspected the interior of every unit, and I must say, I was impressed. It was in better condition than I had expected.  When I was looking at the architectural drawings I didn't think I would be a fan of the floor plans, but once we got inside the units I really liked them. The 9-1/2 foot ceilings give them a nice feel and the floor plans are open and spacious with island kitchens, walk-in closets, and huge bedrooms and bathrooms. 

    One thing that was interesting was that you could see the progression of the Builder's distress as things were going downhill. The first building that was built has granite counters in the kitchens and baths, some hardwood floors and some 18X18 travertine, upgraded carpets, upgraded cabinets with soft-close, etc. the second building had some granite and some high-end Formica. The third had builder-grade carpet and cabinets, standard Formica counters, builder-grade carpet and 12X12 ceramic tile in the kitchen.  The fourth building was the one that was partially completed when the property was foreclosed.  It was finished by the hedge fund that bought the property and has standard builder-grade finishes.

    Here is a picture of one of the nicer kitchens:

    I was also impressed with the condition of the land infrastructure. Despite sitting idle for 8 years, the pavement is in excellent condition. The utilities are all in place along with all road signs, fire hydrants, etc. it's literally ready to go vertical.

    Then we met with the city's planning director. He told us that this project is the best attached product in that city by far.  He highly encouraged us to acquire the property and build out the original plan, but also acknowledged that there is an approved alternative to build out 271 apartment units. What is even better is that there are no other attached units in the planning pipeline and there are no other finished sites suitable for Multifamily in the city.

    So the question remains...can we fund it?  I'm thinking that the answer is yes...we have 34 people on the interest list so far, which is a very solid start. We are doing a webinar soon so after that we'll know how close we are to getting it funded. 

    More updates to follow!

  • Brian BurkePro Member
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    Today we did a webinar for our investors.  This was our chance to tell them about the local market, the property and our findings in due diligence (so far).  The webinar lasted about 35 minutes.

    I think our primary question is getting answered.  Can we fund this deal?  The answer is shaping out to be a yes.  We had over 50 investors register for the webinar.  A little over half of them attended live, and of those that did not attend live, about half of them have watched the replay already.  Over the next day or so I'd expect that most of the remaining registrants will watch the replay.

    The next step after the webinar is to take reservations.  At this stage, investors "raise their hand" if they are interested and tell us how much they want to invest.  At last count, about five hours after the live webinar had concluded, we were approaching $2 million in reservations.

    A reservation is not the same thing as a subscription!  This is our chance to build the interest list and have a fair method of lining up investors on a first-come, first-served basis.  We are raising just under $2.5 million.  Once we hit that target anyone who subsequently reserves goes onto a waiting list in the order in which the reservations were received. 

    It's not unusual for people to drop out for one reason or another.  Perhaps they don't like the risks disclosed in the PPM.  Perhaps they changed their mind.  Or maybe they lost their money in a stock market correction while waiting.  If someone drops out, the first person on the waiting list gets the spot if they still want it.

    Next we'll send out the PPM and subscription agreement.  The PPM is essentially a risk-disclosure document.  If the marketing deck is designed to give the investor all of the reasons to invest in the deal, the PPM is designed to give them all of the reasons not to do it.  The subscription agreement is the document that the investor fills out and signs and returns to us with their investment funds.  It's the document that actually subscribes them to the offering.

    So back to my original post...I asked the question, "can we fund it?"  Why did I ask?  Because you can build a great client list, but that doesn't mean that your clients will want what you are selling.  In the real estate business there are a lot of variables.  There are investments that fit in different "boxes" and there are investments that are "out of the box".  Until you tell the story to your clients, you don't know what they will like and what they won't like.  Turns out they like this one.  At least for now.  Stay tuned to find out if reservations translate to subscriptions...and to see if the property passes our due diligence.

  • Houston, TX · Member since 2015 · 98 posts · 24 votes
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    @Brian Burke really interested to hear if there are any updates on this deal

  • Investor · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2014 · 538 posts · 432 votes
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    What a great thread.  Also still interested in updates.

  • Brian BurkePro Member
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    @Alec McCullough and @Bryan Blankenship thanks for the shout-out...I got buried in the weeds (working on a lot of deals at once) and neglected to keep the updates flowing.  So here goes...

    The property passed due diligence just fine. We inspected every unit, performed a lease audit, had an inspector test the systems, and hired an engineer to study the land improvements and utilities. We met with the city, and our engineer met with the water company.  There were a few minor findings, stuff that would cost a few thousand dollars to fix, like a leaky double-check valve, a couple of AC compressors, etc. We had already anticipated some expense because I can't remember there ever being a time that a property didn't need something, so no big deal.

    We did our investor webinar and received two million in verbal commitments within two hours and had about five million in commitments within 24 hours. We only need to raise $2.45 million so we have a deep waiting list and unfortunately a lot of them won't make it in. So I guess the question as to whether our clients would have an appetite for this deal has been answered.  

    But please, if you haven't raised a lot of money before and don't have a track record, don't interpret this to mean that raising money is as simple as doing a webinar and having the commitments flow in. Everyone on that list is someone we've been in dialog with for some time, long before this deal was ever even thought of.

    I got the PPM from our securities counsel yesterday and tomorrow we will be forwarding the PPM, subscription agreement, and wiring instructions to the first $2.45 million on the wait list. Some folks may have changed their minds and if they do we'll start sending the docs to the next person on the wait list, in order, until the subscriptions are filled. 

    Meanwhile, we received a final loan commitment from our lender today, just in time to release our loan contingency tomorrow. The deal is now in the phase where documents get drawn and signed and investors fund their commitments. The broker asked if we can close a day early and we are planning to do that. Closing will be 9/1.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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    @Brian Burke  nice work Brian.. you mean if I am hearing you we can't just put an add on craigslist for private investors and secure millions in financing even though we have never done a deal.. LOL I am being totally facetious.

    When it comes to pooled or PPM type investments the sponsor is the critical component.. how many deals.. are you as the investor going on the maiden Voyage and therefor taking some risk ..Sometimes major risk.

    Sponsor's in these deals is THE critical component.. 

    Best of luck on this one Brian. !!!!  

  • Houston, TX · Member since 2015 · 98 posts · 24 votes
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    Thanks for the update these are the kinds of deals I aspire to. I understand that it takes years of building a track record and the relationships with invedtors and your network. Love coming on here to learn from those eho are actually doing thanks again for sharing.

  • Sarasota, FL · Member since 2014 · 151 posts · 80 votes
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    This is great being able to follow a commercial deal from inception to final closing and getting the details in between. 

    Brian mentions a "lease audit" - could someone give me a synopsis of what a lease audit consists of?

  • Brian BurkePro Member
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    Investor · Santa Rosa, CA · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 7k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Paul Santos:

     Brian mentions a "lease audit" - could someone give me a synopsis of what a lease audit consists of?

    A lease audit is the exercise of comparing the information on the rent roll to the actual lease files.  This means looking at the lease and all notices in change of terms and addendums to confirm that the security deposit, rental rate, move-in date, lease expiration, etc match the rent roll. 

    A better description, rather than "lease audit", is "lease file audit" because in addition to the above comparison you are also reviewing the rest of each tenant's lease file to ensure that they were properly screened, don't have felony convictions (or were even checked for that), have proven income that meets your guidelines, etc.

  • Sarasota, FL · Member since 2014 · 151 posts · 80 votes
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    @Brian Burke thank you!

  • San Francisco, CA · Member since 2017 · 11 posts · 5 votes
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    As one of the poor folks who couldn't get @Brian Burke to take my money for this deal (too far down the wait list!), I'm curious how it's going. Have you decided on your exit strategy yet?

  • Brian BurkePro Member
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    @Mary F. I'm really sorry you didn't make it in!  The good news is that I think we'll have another opportunity for you to look at very soon.

    This deal is interesting--As I alluded to in this thread, I wasn't sure how much interest we would have in funding it.  I was really surprised--there was so much interest that we essentially had nearly double the reservations that we needed.  It makes raising capital an interesting business--you never know how things will turn out until you get deep into the weeds.

    We have decided on an exit strategy.  We are going to sell the land to a developer (this was option 3 in my earlier post), and we'll likely do that next year.  Meanwhile, the units are all rented and the rental income is exceeding our underwriting.  This exit strategy is the lowest risk and turns our money the fastest.  Perhaps we could squeak out a higher profit by doing a build-out but that will take longer and add a whole new dimension to the risk profile.  Still on the table if we need it, but I think that with what is going on in the community our "sell the whole thing" approach has a steady tailwind.

    Right after closing there were several major announcements of new developments coming to the area.  First was a 1.5 million square foot merchandise trading center.  Next was a motorsports testing facility.  Then there was an electric car manufacturer that announced that they are going to build their factory there.  And finally an announcement recently came regarding a large amusement park.  Each of these projects by themselves are expected to create thousands of direct jobs, and thousands more indirect jobs.  In my entire career, I've never seen anything like this.  And whenever I've seen something even close it's always been in an area where I didn't just buy something!  Once in a while luck is on our side.  I'm sorry it wasn't on your side this time but we'll make it up to you!

  • Real Estate Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2009 · 183 posts · 153 votes
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    @Brian Burke What would an investor anticipate earning on something like this?  

    Why don't you guys keep(or sell to recoup investor funds) the current condos and partner with a developer to build out the 271 unit apartment complex? It's already approved?  That is gold. You provide the existing land, he provides the construction capital, do a lease up, then sell?  

    Seems like you are on a goldmine here that is not worthy of a double, sounds like you might have a 5-10x on your hands if done correctly.  

    I also don't understand why you even raised investor funds here?  It was only 3 Mil, seems like it would have been pretty easy for any seasoned investor to take that down with a local small bank loan.  Would be interesting to understand your thought process as it clearly greatly differs from my own.

    You're a compelling writer, I enjoyed your first post in this thread.

  • Brian BurkePro Member
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    That's a fair question, @Michael P.  

    Our assumptions were a 20.18% IRR over a two year hold. This assumes a sale of the entire project.

    We could sell the condos to retail buyers and sell the land to a developer and perhaps net a bit more.  But our risk goes up if we do that and we could potentially narrow our buyer pool.  

    The project has dual-entitlement. It can be built out as 180 condo units as originally intended, or 243 for-rent apartment units could be built. If we sell the existing condos to retail buyers, it complicates the 243 (271 total) apartment scenario because now you have an active HOA and homeowners mixed in with the tenants. Not the best scenario. If we sell the whole package, there would be 243 conventional apartments and 28 high-end apartments with garages (the existing condos which would just be rented instead of sold) which would be a great project. Or there would be 180 for-sale condos, which also is a great project. Since there are two potential development scenarios, each appealing to a different buyer profile, selling the whole project as one makes sense because we could capture more potential interest versus narrowing the focus to only one particular buyer profile.

    It's true that we could be sitting on a gold mine.  That said, I doubt it's a 5-10x and if it is, it would come with a lot more risk.  As a fund manager my first job is to not lose money.  My second job is to make money.  This requires decisions that might run counter to my own interest--such as taking the low risk sale approach to give my investors a great return rather than go for the riskier strategy where I would make more money but my investors might make the same 20% return (but over more years--it'll most likely take 2-3 times as long to develop as to resell).  

    As to your last question--why even raise funds? The answer it twofold. First, I'm in the private placement business--raising money to invest in real estate deals is what we do. If I want to invest in real estate personally, I invest alongside my investors. Second reason, it took over $2 million to close this deal. We did get financing from a local bank but they would only do 33% LTV. Could we get higher leverage? Maybe. But this gave us a comfortable DSCR so we get positive cash flow even if things aren't going perfectly. If we had to hold this for 20 years, we could. Too much leverage would mean that we are break-even or worse, negative, which means that if our plan doesn't go according to plan we could be in a world of hurt. Kind of circles back to the whole risk profile issue...

  • Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2017 · 583 posts · 919 votes
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    @Brian Burke, did you end up selling the land?

  • Investor · Culpeper, VA · Member since 2016 · 20 posts · 5 votes
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    Where is the deal at? I would like to help if possible? Do you have the complete site plan and whats the cost of the bond to put up to complete the project?

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    @Sam Grooms, we have not sold yet. So far we’ve upgraded the tenant base, brought rents to market and fixed up some of the amenities. Our plan was a 2 year hold, which would time our sale for later this year. We are now interviewing brokers and getting price opinions. We just got one last week that was right in line with our forecast. More to come then we’ll make a decision.

    @Clifford Kearns, we do have a complete site plan (and architecture) and there is no bond to put up because all of the infrastructure work is complete. The project is shovel-ready to go vertical. Streets and utilities are in. Just connect and build.  

  • Investor · Culpeper, VA · Member since 2016 · 20 posts · 5 votes
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    Would you care to share the location and site plan? Also brokers value on the site as is?

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