22 Years Old with 20 Units in 10 Months!

22 Years Old with 20 Units in 10 Months!

Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes

10 months ago I was driving up and down every road in this new town of Iron Mountain MI trying to get a feel for the quality of the neighborhoods and characteristics of the market. I still had a few weeks of college left but was likely going to be starting a job in the town after graduation. Having already understood that multi family properties was where I wanted to focus my attention I wanted to take a look at every apartment complex or 4+ unit structure I could find. Knowing I could only afford 4 units as my first purchase I passed by a large complex on a small lake in the center of town and said to my mother who was in the car with me… “Wow, that would be amazing to own!” Given the size of the building, location, and fact that the numbers on the carports went up to 16 I shrugged it off knowing there was no way I could ever afford something like that in the near future.

The day before graduation I received my job offer, and 2 days after graduation I submitted an offer on a 4 unit building in the hopes of living in one unit while renting out the others. I wanted to renovate the units with the idea that within 6 months I could be living rent free with my tenants paying all my bills. After negotiations and inspections I closed on my first deal in June 2015, began my job, and began renovations. 5 months later I had the first major renovations completed and got the building full to achieve my goal of living rent free before the new year.

In October 2015, during the renovations of my last vacant unit my carpet installer gave me a tip on a 16 unit building. So being young and ambitious I figured, “what the hell, why not call and see what the deal looks like.” Well, it ended up being Crystal Lake, that 16 unit that caught my eye on my first property hunt through the town.

After analyzing the numbers, viewing a few units in the property, trying to find investors interested in a partnership and exhausting my network I had to make a phone call and acknowledge my inability to move forward on the deal(I was 100% honest the entire time about my situation). I explained that while I clearly like the deal, unless the owners could provide some sort of owner financing (in the very first conversation the owners were clear about not wanting to do any owner financing) then I couldn't likely make an offer as I didn't have the financing to back it up.

Long story short, the owners came back with an owner financing option, we negotiated and had a signed purchase agreement by the end of January 2016. After getting multiple banks to negotiate on the financing I was able to secure a commercial loan in 1st position with the owner financing in second position all under very favorable terms. I walked into closing today and was only required to put $11,950 down on the building.

If anyone is interested in learning more about my financing structure, negotiation, or cash flow analysis please PM me!

Needless to say, the past 10 months have been very exciting for me. I am 22 years old and now own 20 units. The goal is to hit 150 units by age 30! But why not try to hit that by age 26?

I have to give a big shout out to the BP community for the advice, encouragement, and cautions as I have sought out help through this process. I really cannot imagine I would be where I am today without the BP community to lean on when things have gotten challenging.

For all the newbies, I was one just 10 months ago. Don’t think because you don’t have lots of money or experience you cant make it happen. It took me just $17k in total investment of my own money to secure these 20 units which rent for an average of $600 each (most of the utilities are sub metered too!). Figure out what peoples problems are and try to find the most advantageous way to solve those problems for all parties. It’s a relationship and problem solving game. Do that better then anyone else who is competing for a particular deal and you can surely see substantial success in a short period of time! 

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Investor · Weston, WI · Member since 2016 · 105 posts · 114 votes
10y

I  would love to see the cash flow analysis, and I bet others would to. Can you just post it here for everyone to see?

Congrats man, you are killing it!

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  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    10y

    @Luka MilicevicThanks for the comments! This is what keeps me going when I see people reaching out to give their good wishes. 

  • Vancouver, WA · Member since 2014 · 42 posts · 1 vote
    10y
    Wow, so great to see your result and Rx for sharing the joy with us. I am most interested to learn about the financial structure of you like to share it. Thx. Jack
  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    10y

    @Jack ChuTake a look through the pages. I detailed some of the cash flow analysis and financing structure in a few of my replies. Ill be sure to just do that in the primary post in the future! 

  • Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2015 · 95 posts · 32 votes
    10y

    Love it!

  • Investor · South Padre Island · Member since 2016 · 83 posts · 17 votes
    10y

    Congratulations  Joel !! awesome Job!! Let me PM you with Additional questions. 

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    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    10y

    Congratulations @Joel FlorekThat is truly an amazing accomplishment. You are obviously proud and have every right to be. You are an inspiration to all of us not just newbies. 

    I would add a note of caution however. The world in general but especially the world of real estate has its ups and downs. There is an important difference between acquiring units and continuing to manage them profitably. Remember the ultimate goal is profitability, not some arbitrary number of units you want too own.

    Continued good luck to you

  • Lender · Costa Mesa, CA · Member since 2016 · 11 posts · 4 votes
    10y

    Congrats! I am currently financing a flipper who has already completed 5 ca/nv homes at the age of 20.  The deal I am financing him on next is over a 3 million dollar purchase with a significant rehab budget.   I am pretty certain I will be working for one of you guys someday :)

    I think it is great to start young as like any other investment it is a patient mans game and the earlier you get started the better off you are.  I unfortunately waited till 29 to buy my first place and then second place at 31.  A big reason was due to me always having some excuse the market is too high I'd rather not put that much down I'm too busy working etc.  

    After doing over 250 million in financing transactions the last three years, one thing I have come to realize is there is always opportunity.  It sometimes does require thinking outside the box like going to a different geography or could be the financing options are what makes the deal.

    One thing I will caution you with using high leverage, is make sure you are cash flowing at atleast a 1.25x debt cover and use a 45-50% expense factor.  This should allow you to whether the unexpected vacancies and deferred maintenance plus ensure you wil qualify for a refinance if need be. 

    Best of luck on getting to 150!

  • Rockford, IL · Member since 2015 · 343 posts · 95 votes
    10y
    Joel Florek way to go. That is awesome. Nothing like yours but hope will get my next SFR in morning when my offer goes in.
  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    10y

    @Raj MulchandaniThank you for the words of caution. I completely agree. I have been rehabbing my 4 unit over the past 8 months and have added a bit of value into that property. Needless to say when I went to buy the 16 unit the banks suggested refinancing that property to pull out the equity I had available. I didn't.

     My goal is to the best of my ability not touch my equity in other properties and focus more on creatively financing the new property and being frugal to get what is needed to close the deal. If its not a good deal standing on its own under the financing structure that gets put in place then I shouldn't be doing the deal.

    Plus, if I keep the properties with the same bank they look at the overall portfolio. So there is no reason to increase my transactional costs by moving equity from one property to the other.

    That being said I kept my owner financing portion amortized at 10 years rather then negotiating to push that out. While it hurts my cash flow initially, it forces rapid principle pay down and in 3 years I will be in an LTV position that allows me to refinance under more normal lending standards.

  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    10y

    @Ned CareyVery true. If it was as easy as signing the piece of paper and sitting back to watch checks roll in then there  would be no reason for people to want to get out of this game to allow others to move in. Its definitely going to be a challenging road ahead. But when I talk to people who think I am crazy for taking on a property like this, or any property for that matter, I step back and explain that I would rather have to take care of problems I own rather then problems that get handed down to me from my boss. Thanks for the post Ned!

  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    10y

    @Chris SukalaA deal is a deal. If its getting you one step closer to your achieving what you set out to do then its a huge win regardless of its size.

  • Baltimore, MD · Member since 2016 · 24 posts · 3 votes
    10y

    What a great story and so encouraging! Thanks and much continued success...

  • District Heights, MD · Member since 2015 · 11 posts · 3 votes
    10y

    Congratulations! Very inspiring! 

  • Real Estate Agent · Saint Louis Park, MN · Member since 2015 · 213 posts · 82 votes
    10y

    Congrats! What an awesome and inspiring thread to read! 

  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    10y

    @Nicole Curtis@Crystal Davis @Shane Hedeen Thanks for the comments! Its been a fun ride. Hard work is just starting but now I need to find the next deal which I am hoping will be bigger!

  • Investor · New York, NY · Member since 2015 · 31 posts · 80 votes
    10y

    That's very inspiring! Great role model for young entrepreneurs!

    I'm also in my early 20s and looking to start in MF. However, the MF price in my area (Brooklyn,NY) is ridiculous, everything is $1M+.

    What's your prior experience? Any recommendation for me?

    And again, congratulations 

  • Henderson, NV · Member since 2016 · 19 posts · 4 votes
    10y

    Awesome read,  Thank you for sharing!

  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    10y

    @Constance Kang

    Thanks for the kind words!

    If you don't have a lot of money yourself owner financing coupled with bank financing on a commercial loan is a great way to get started. It sounds like you own a few rentals in foreign markets as I read your profile. Would love to know more about those! Definitely PM me on that topic!

    I grew up helping my dad remodel houses we lived in and few SFRs they had. So knowing how to do pretty much any renovation or repair job has added a lot of confidence. I also went to school for finance and business so I combined my comfort level of remodeling with my business background to pass on SFR's to go straight to multi family. Even with that I started with a 4 unit as my first building before jumping to the 16 unit. You could go straight to 200 if you wanted/had the resources to do it, but there all risks get amplified as you add more units and increase the purchase prices.

  • Investor · New York, NY · Member since 2015 · 31 posts · 80 votes
    10y

    @Joel Florek I'm happy to share my oversea investment experience. But the RE market is very different, those are more of long-term investment: I'm waiting for the values to go up and resell them. 

    I'm a city girl, and I grew up in apartment, so I never had any house remodeling experience, but would love to get my hands dirty. To be, being highly involved in every aspect of the business is important. 

    Thank you for the advice. I think I'll start small like 5-20 units and then build my experience from here. 

    Seems like I'll have to invest in other states. Any suggestion?    

  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    10y

    @Constance Kang You will need to depend on other management teams so either you find a place within 1 or 2 hr of NYC so you can easily drive and check up on your investment or its a city you might plan on having as a second home base.

    For me I plan to invest in 3 markets within 4 hours of each other. This way I can have many opportunities for expansion, diversify my market risk, yet get travel to on a regular basis if needed. Keep in mind I am focusing on investing in smaller towns right now (15k to 30k population).

  • Renter · Chicagoland NW Suburbs · Member since 2016 · 111 posts · 19 votes
    10y

    Congrats that  is so awesome and humbling to hear...

  • Rental Property Investor · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2016 · 109 posts · 59 votes
    10y
    Joel Florek What a great success story! Have you had a mentor throughout your process or did you gain your knowledge elsewhere? Hats off to you buddy!
  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    10y

    @Rob Jones Unfortunately I cant say I have found the all elusive "mentor" to help give me the answers. What I have found are a lot of people who are doing different things in real estate and business who have been willing to speak with me, bounce ideas around, and talk through the deal. With that being said I have gotten varying opinions on all my actions but have ultimately had to decide what I believed to be the right choice. Needless to say I am still looking and likely always will be. For now I am just trying to network with those in the industry and continue to pick and choose what advice I will and wont apply to my business to fit my goals in life. 

  • Investor · King of Prussia, PA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 339 votes
    10y

    @Joel Florek CONGRATULATIONS! Well done! You're on your way.

  • Developer · Pittsburgh, PA · Member since 2016 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    10y

    @Joel Florek excellent work!  This is very inspirational!! 

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