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Updated almost 11 years ago, 03/10/2014

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Louis Burkhart
  • Chicago, IL
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I live in Chicago and am trying to locate a second investment property right now. I'm having a difficult time meeting my criteria. I'm specifically looking for a 4-plex in a relatively decent area where I can get at least a 10% ConC return. Would any of the Chicago investors recommend specific neighborhoods to target?

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ha define "relatively decent area"

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I'd say, arbitrarily, excluding the bottom quarter of the more crime-filled neighborhoods. Most anywhere outside of the southside and the high-crime pocket on the west side.

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Joshua Burke
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Joshua Burke
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Welcome Louis,

Areas of the City I like: (no order)

McKinnely Park

Albany Park

Rogers Park

Arcadia Terrace

Jefferson Park

Humboldt Part - East and West

Avondale

Bridgeport

Even South Evanston

etc, etc,

Deals are out there - happy hunting!

JB

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    @Joshua Burke

    Thanks for the list. I really like Avondale and East Humbolt Park, however I haven't seen any 10% ConC deals there recently. Have you actually seen high cashflowing deals in these areas after expenses are accounted for?

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    I should also note that I'm using realtor.com as my resource because I don't have access to the MLS. I was debating trying to find a wholesaler to work with because I can't seem to find what I want on realtor.com

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    Larry Smet
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    Hi Louis

    You've mentioned wholesalers several times - but have you reached out to some brokers? If you can find one who specializes in a specific area, they always have their finger on the pulse of the neighborhood and come across deals that don't get posted.

    Good luck

    Larry

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    Hi again Louis,

    You may not be able to immediately find the returns you're looking for, you have to CREATE the returns you want. How to do that? HERE is a blog post I wrote recently about a deal we did last year.

    RRR

    Rehab

    Rerent

    Refinance

    Do it the right way and you can pull out most, if not all, of you original capital. You could then have little skin in the game and still have positive cash flow.

    This is what some investors consider Infinite Returns.

    Good luck!

    JB

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    Louis Burkhart
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    I appreciate the responses. The broker I bought my first investment property through specializes in the area I'm looking in, however he just sends me automatic MLS listings and has no idea what I'm really looking for from an investment standpoint -- no matter how much I explain. He's more of a salesman than an investor's friend.

    You're right, Joshua, that is the plan I should be shooting for. I don't have any rehabbing experience though. I've been looking at homepath homes with that in mind. I have much to study up on!

    Thanks again.

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    I should also note that I don't have nearly enough cash at the moment to be purchasing properties with 100% cash down and then to rehab using cash.

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    Xavier Y.
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    Originally posted by @Joshua Burke:
    Hi again Louis,

    You may not be able to immediately find the returns you're looking for, you have to CREATE the returns you want. How to do that? HERE is a blog post I wrote recently about a deal we did last year.

    RRR

    Rehab

    Rerent

    Refinance

    Do it the right way and you can pull out most, if not all, of you original capital. You could then have little skin in the game and still have positive cash flow.

    This is what some investors consider Infinite Returns.

    Good luck!

    JB

    I like the framework you have going. I read your blog post, as well. Very informative and I definitely appreciate you including the numbers. It helps a lot to visualize the deal.

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    Joshua Burke
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    Thanks Xavier,

    Good luck and happy Hunting!

    JB

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