New Investor from Southwest Colorado

New Investor from Southwest Colorado

Durango, CO · Member since 2013 · 6 posts · 0 votes

Hello BP,

I am new to this community and very excited about all of the incredible resources and wealth of knowledge BP has to offer. I have a very unique background, and I would like to take some time to introduce myself.

My name is Louis Ripp, I am 25 years old, and I currently live in southwest Colorado in the town of Durango. I have a bachelor's degree in Economics from Colorado State University which I have not used at all in my career choices. I currently work as a Wildland Firefighter for the U.S. Forest Service. This means I spend most of my summers traveling around the country fighting fires, and have a lot of time off in the winter.

I already have a bit of a start investing in real estate. When I was in college, my grandparents helped me put a down payment on a house in Fort Collins, CO. Through college, I lived in the house and rented out the other rooms which covered my mortgage. Now that I live in Durango, on the complete opposite side of the state, the house is a full blown cash flowing rental property.

I have about 20k saved up that I am looking to use as a start for investing in real estate. My ultimate goal is to be a full-time investor someday, living off of rental income and other assets. I would love to be financially independent and work for just myself someday, and I see real estate as one potential investment vehicle to help me achieve this goal.

I currently rent the property where I live in Durango, and between my girlfriend and I, we pay $950 per month in rent....for a 1 bedroom condo...Yikes! This seems like a lot, but Durango is a town where the median value of a single family home is somewhere around $360k. The 1 bedroom Condo I live in sold a few years ago for $170k. It is an expensive place to live, and this seems to be my biggest obstacle to entering the game at the moment. I would consider moving back to Fort Collins. My house there is paid off and I could save a lot of money to put towards my investments if I lived there, but I really love this area and would like to stay if possible

An appealing option to me at the moment to get started is a live-in flip. The money I am already spending in rent could be going towards the mortgage, and my job affords me a lot of time in the winter I could spend fixing up a property. I am very handy, so this type of work would not be a problem. I suppose the problem is finding this type of property in this expensive town that I can afford with a 20k down payment. These properties do exist, but it will probably be some type of foreclosure or similar type situation.

So I guess I am here to figure out how to get started. I feel like I already have a solid foundation, and being only 25 I think I can really make good things happen if I get the ball rolling. What pieces of advice do all of you have for me as a young man trying to get started in this business?

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  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Broomfield, CO · Member since 2013 · 390 posts · 125 votes
    13y

    I think the idea of a live in flip - either SFR or du/tri/quad plex is a great idea. If I were starting off again with no kids, I would definitely do that.

  • Real Estate Lender · Denver, CO · Member since 2013 · 81 posts · 6 votes
    13y

    Welcome, Taylor.

  • Real Estate Agent · Milwaukee County, WI · Member since 2009 · 3k+ posts · 525 votes
    13y

    @Taylor Ripp welcome to biggerpockets nation

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    Flipper/Rehabber · Denver, CO · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes
    13y

    welcome from Denver! Ft Collins isn't cheap, but it's cheap when your house is paid off!!

  • Durango, CO · Member since 2013 · 6 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    Fort Collins is cheap compared to Durango. I don't know how feasible it is with my level of capital to invest in this area. 20k gives me 20% down on a $100k property...that doesn't really exist in the Durango area (or Fort Collins for that matter), where a 1000 sq ft SFR sells for around $300k within the city limits. Its a pretty interesting real estate market down here, and its a pretty small town (around 17,000 people), so the market doesn't work like more densely populated areas. Its a tourist area with a lot of vacation homes. I am sure there are opportunities here, I just don't know if they are within my price range.

  • Real Estate Investor · Englewood, CO · Member since 2013 · 988 posts · 258 votes
    13y

    @Taylor Ripp,

    It is not my intention to rain on your parade. However, I want to be honest with you with no sugar coating. You stated: "I feel like I already have a solid foundation..."

    Nothing could be further from the truth. The real estate industry is far more complex than you realize.

    I highly recommend you spend far more time educating yourself on the various segments and many options in the real estate industry, and then focus developing a higher education that addresses your goals.

    Your education should include many hours of learning the huge number of laws you must know and follow, how to negotiate, how to manage property and people, and business fundamentals and laws. Your degree will be very helpful, but you need much more knowledge.

    This is the opinion of a seasoned real estate investor, developer, manager, and consultant with almost 50 years of experience. I have no intention of giving you false hopes. I will assure you greater success should you seek much more education.

    There are numerous people in the real estate business in Durango with more than 30 years of experience. I recommend working for one or a company. Not as a real estate agent, but as a component to the success of operation. Your economic degree may be highly valued. The lessons learned will go way beyond anything you will read about in a book. You will also get first-hand knowledge of the business and what segment interests you the most.

    May you have great success.

  • Fort Wayne, IN · Member since 2013 · 66 posts · 12 votes
    13y

    Welcome

  • Aurora, CO · Member since 2013 · 11 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    @Taylor Ripp Welcome to the community, my family has a home just outside of Durango in the Forest Lakes neighborhood and I lived there for about 3.5 years.

    The prices in Durango are not very realistic, still priced for the second and third home owner and with the college there those that are renting can get a ridiculous amount from the college students parents.

    I looked around the whole time and even the fixers, usually built in the early 1900's on a skinny small lot were still being listed/sold for close to market value. And your right with the ave. home price being $360 and the median income for La Plata county being $42k creates a huge gap. With only a few apartment/condos on the market between $80-$100k what remodel you invested you would probably not get back in return.

    It is a tough investment place, living in town is key to resale value!

    If you have any free time the Adaptive Sports Association is a fantastic organization to meet people and give back to the community, tell Ann Marie and and Iris hello!

  • Durango, CO · Member since 2013 · 6 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    Tom, you most certainly are not raining on my parade. My parade has yet to even enter the planning stages, and certainly is a long ways from being disturbed by the weather.

    I could not agree more with you. I guess I should say I have the beginning of a foundation, instead of a solid one. By that I mean I have one cash flowing investment property, an education, and a little bit of capital. I am still just trying to get my feet wet, and that is what brought me to this forum.

    I would love to work for an investor or company. That kind of hands on experience is the best way to learn. Do you know of any of the companies or individuals in my area that would be interested in taking on an ambitious young man?

  • Durango, CO · Member since 2013 · 6 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    @Tom Goans

    Tom, you most certainly are not raining on my parade. My parade has yet to even enter the planning stages, and certainly is a long ways from being disturbed by the weather.

    I could not agree more with you. I guess I should say I have the beginning of a foundation, instead of a solid one. By that I mean I have one cash flowing investment property, an education, and a little bit of capital. I am still just trying to get my feet wet, and that is what brought me to this forum.

    I would love to work for an investor or company. That kind of hands on experience is the best way to learn. Do you know of any of the companies or individuals in my area that would be interested in taking on an ambitious young man?

  • Real Estate Investor · Englewood, CO · Member since 2013 · 988 posts · 258 votes
    13y

    @Taylor Ripp,

    Although I have visited Durango many times and love the area, I never actively pursued any investment opportunities in the area or met any other investors. Sorry, I am not able to help you here.

    As much as the town has grown, and as many developments as there are, I would image there are many great people to meet and know in the area. The other great thing is the very large number of visitors for all parts of the country and world.

    When I lived in a Colorado resort community, the big investors were the visitors who helped the locals to make money by funding their business ventures. I went into the art gallery business with another real estate investor and developer. You would not believe who you would meet. And many are looking for ways to become involved in an area they love to visit.

    Best of luck. And more importantly, have fun.

  • Real Estate Coach · Venice Beach, CA · Member since 2012 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    13y

    Colorado in general is going to be a really hard place to buy straight up buy and holds. The prices are just too expensive to allow for positive cash flow. I think you are definitely thinking along good lines about doing live-in flips. For one you could get mortgages with less money down than you could for straight up rentals. And you could get houses cheaper and if you are handy, that works perfect!

  • Rental Property Investor · AZ · Member since 2013 · 213 posts · 50 votes
    13y

    @Taylor Ripp Welcome! I think it's great you're starting out at the age of 25! I had no idea Durango was so pricey. Have you thought about Greeley? You might want to look up Mark Ferguson who is a BP member and a HUD realtor in Greeley.

  • Durango, CO · Member since 2013 · 6 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    @Account Closed

    I would certainly consider investing in Greeley sometime in the future. My mother is a realtor in Northern Colorado and is a huge resource to me in that part of the state. I really wish I would have had some capital to invest in Greeley a few years ago. That market really took a dive and there were some incredible deals in that town. Unfortunately I was still in school, and have only recently been able to build a little capital. Thank you for the suggestion!

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Greeley, CO · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    13y

    Taylor, the greeley market has taken off, but is still cheaper than most if the front range. Who is your mother? I may know her.

  • Durango, CO · Member since 2013 · 6 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    @Mark Ferguson

    Mark,

    My mother is Susie Ripp, with Elevations Real Estate. Formerly of Coldwell Banker. My father, Bob Ripp, is also an appraiser in Fort Collins.

  • Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2010 · 99 posts · 20 votes
    13y

    @Taylor Ripp

    Welcome to Durango! I live here! (But moving probably early next year). Durango is a very tough place to invest with limited capital. The one thing you can count on is a VERY strong rental market, but with house prices that are extremely inflated in price due to the small tourist town and everything - the economics aren't strong. The only way I was able to tap into this market was to buy a mobile home as a rental here and it is a cashflow beast. The downside is that I'm getting negative appreciation out of it and it will be tough to sell. I have plenty more thoughts about the town, looks like we have some chatting to do.

    I'm 27 and I'm in a similar position as you. Let's get together for a beer! Feel free to contact me.

  • Santa Fe, NM · Member since 2013 · 41 posts · 18 votes
    13y

    If I were in Durango, I would look toward Farmington, or east toward Bayfield (is that right?). I saw an interesting listing on craigslist there, I think, a few weeks ago . I've seen reasonable land and home listings up toward the ski hill over the years, and Silverton or Ouray might have potential...but maybe the train has already left for those places (although I have found pretty cheap mine claims in Silverton, recently). As I recall, there was a multi-unit camp for sale on Vallecito a few years ago that maybe had legs with some creative thinking - but that was a 7 figure project. Anyway, opportunity is everywhere if you look for it. My 2 cents -

  • Jerry W.Pro Member
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    Investor · Thermopolis, WY · Member since 2012 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    13y

    Hey @Taylor Ripp , Welcome to BP. I have been a volunteer Fireman for just shy of 25 years now. My son is a wildland firefighter too. He recently bought his first house that also had a small rental house in the back. The main house was a fixer up. You should look at buying a residence with an extra rental attached or a large basement to rent out. You should be able to buy for about 3.5% down and fiance the rest if it will be your home. With 20K in your pocket you should be able to buy something. pick a town where rent demand is high or at least steady with population growth, and good employment rates. You may be able to find a flood damaged house, or someone who needs to sale due to moving because of their job being lost due to flood damage. Be smart, be patient, be willing to work up. you will not get a great deal the first week you go looking. Figure out what kind of property you want and start looking for it. Do not buy until you can tell it truly is a deal. Get advice on the deal before you buy from someone with experience and no money in the deal.

  • Brandon TurnerPro Member
    Investor · Maui, HI · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    13y

    Hey @Taylor Ripp! Thanks for jumping in and introducing yourself! Don't miss The BiggerPockets Podcast - they are great for learning how others are finding success.

    Oh - and don't forget to set up your Keyword Alerts!

    See you around the forums!

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