Mentally Ill Tenant We Inherited Who is Also Section 8

Mentally Ill Tenant We Inherited Who is Also Section 8

Rental Property Investor · Des Moines, IA · Member since 2018 · 48 posts · 30 votes

Hey BP-folks!

Need some advice with a situation we're dealing with as landlords of a 6-plex we acquired 2 months ago. Inherited a crummy tenant base where everyone pays late half the time, including this Section 8 lady who only owes us $50 of the $650 rent (HUD/City pays $600). She's on a 1 year lease expiring end of May this year. Everyone is a smoker and the entire house reeks of smoke (which is unpleasant but manageable).

Issue with Section 8 lady isn't just the fact that she's late with the $50/month rent due but the fact she's making me feel uncomfortable as property manager/landlord. Let me explain why: Went over a week ago to collect rent from some other tenants and she was standing outside in the negative temp weather (we're based in Des Moines, IA) without a coat on. I asked her "what's up?" and she proceeded to explain to me that she's waiting for the cops to come as her ex-bf and his current gf were harassing her that day. She then pointed down the street saying that's them with weapons ... and I saw no one. I returned about 15 minutes later after chatting with some tenants and she was still waiting for the cops to come (unsure whether she even called them in the first place). I do know she's mentally ill and on meds.

I returned yesterday to attempt to collect her $50 but she started crying and said her ex has been harassing her the past few days and a tenant upstairs has been letting him up to the first floor (which doesn't make any sense as she lives on the ground floor and has no access to the first floor which needs a separate security key). She then proceeded to show me a picture on her phone of a tree and said "look, my ex has been hiding in that tree!" I saw no human in the tree on her phone. She also threatened to "murder" her ex if he tried to come when I was there last week. I saw a kitchen knife on the dining table by the door and was very wary of it, trying to keep my distance from her. I tried to cajole her as I know she needs to be heard. She kept saying she really needs someone with her, and might want to check into a mental facility. She said she tried to commit suicide a few days ago. I was incredibly uncomfortable with the entire situation as I'm a 5'2, 120 pound female and when she was chatting with me, it seems like she wasn't in a right frame of mind.

What should we do? I apologize that this is a very lengthy post but this is real life (we've been incredibly lucky to have bought vacant houses in the past and have selected our own tenant base. This time we inherited these tenants from the previous landlord). 

Thanks!

0Reply
15 views

Most Popular Reply

Rental Property Investor · Ankeny, IA · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
7y

@Becky Hiu

I’d start by calling the City of Des Moines Dept of Housing. Any way you can, get rid of her. Quickly. Her mental health is not your issue, but your property is. Ask the Police if they can contact somebody with city for a welfare check on her. And no, I’m not advocating she be homeless. But you aren’t in a position to help her.

See this reply in the discussion

6 Replies

Jump to latestLatest
  • Rental Property Investor · Ankeny, IA · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y

    @Becky Hiu

    I’d start by calling the City of Des Moines Dept of Housing. Any way you can, get rid of her. Quickly. Her mental health is not your issue, but your property is. Ask the Police if they can contact somebody with city for a welfare check on her. And no, I’m not advocating she be homeless. But you aren’t in a position to help her.

  • Member since 2016 · 13k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    7y

    Clear out the entire existing tenants and replace them all with your own tenants as their leases expire.

    Ride it out till the end of may with crazy8.  All she wants is for someone to listen to her ramblings. Give her the number of the local nut house and maybe she will move on her own.

  • Nicole A.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Baltimore County Maryland and Tampa Florida · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    There is no other way to get the rent than going over to pick it up in person? That way of collecting money is really old-school. Even lower-class properties/tenants can pay by some other means.

    Unrelated to your question, but thinking ahead, can you realistically expect to find all new tenants in the future who won't smoke in the building? If this is like a C-class (or lower, but hopefully you don't have a D-class property), I can pretty much guarantee you that no matter how much you say it, put it in your lease, or put up signs, they will smoke inside. Especially in the winter. So what I'm getting at, is manage your expectations. And as your units go vacant, do not go overboard fixing them up. Please do not over-spend on fix up.

    Regarding your mentally ill tenant's (or any tenant's) late rent, you file for the first step of eviction as early as possible. You also still file even when they contact you promising to pay it "later this week" or "on Friday" or whatever. If you believe that, the day will come and go, you'll have no money, and have wasted time on filing for eviction.

    You can always cancel a rent court/eviction when the tenant makes their payment. And typically (check your local rental laws), when you file for rent court/eviction, that legal paperwork is delivered for you and you let it do the talking. There is no reason for you to go there in person, but when you do, bring someone else with you.

    Also, stop getting sucked into long-winded conversations. There are kind, professional ways to cut someone off. Tone of voice helps too. But just cut them off or you're just going to be stuck there in a pointless conversation about people hiding behind trees or about why they can't pay you rent.

    Set boundaries and expectations! Best of luck!

  • Rental Property Investor · Erie, PA · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    7y

    Sounds like classic schizophrenia going on . I’d call her handlers at the hud office and see if they can get her some help . If that’s the case These people go nuts off their meds and have been known to set houses on fire if they feel distressed or pushed . The paranoid ones you really gotta watch . As far as everybody smoking that just part of the fun of low income rentals . Oddly enough poor people love cigarettes and lotto tickets . Crazy to buy 8$ a pack smokes everyday just to slowly kill yourself . C and d class tenants are there for a reason . Their mindset and continuous poor judgement keeps them in this category indefinitely

  • Investor · Des Moines, IA · Member since 2013 · 137 posts · 49 votes
    7y

    It's apparent she needs help and I agree with Dennis, she likely has schizophrenia.  She's not your responsibility to help, but there are things you can do, and you can find someone that can a lot more for her.  ...and after all, you didn't do your due dilligence during the purchase.  I'd Call DHS and explain your situation.  Find out the right way to move her into a more appropriate housing situation. If you have evidence that you or your tenants are risk, that makes a committal, or an eviction easier.

    I wouldn't worry about $50 rent if you think she might harm you.  Just get her where she can get better.

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2019 · 102 posts · 43 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Nicole A.:

    There is no other way to get the rent than going over to pick it up in person? That way of collecting money is really old-school. Even lower-class properties/tenants can pay by some other means.

    Unrelated to your question, but thinking ahead, can you realistically expect to find all new tenants in the future who won't smoke in the building? If this is like a C-class (or lower, but hopefully you don't have a D-class property), I can pretty much guarantee you that no matter how much you say it, put it in your lease, or put up signs, they will smoke inside. Especially in the winter. So what I'm getting at, is manage your expectations. And as your units go vacant, do not go overboard fixing them up. Please do not over-spend on fix up.

    Regarding your mentally ill tenant's (or any tenant's) late rent, you file for the first step of eviction as early as possible. You also still file even when they contact you promising to pay it "later this week" or "on Friday" or whatever. If you believe that, the day will come and go, you'll have no money, and have wasted time on filing for eviction.

    You can always cancel a rent court/eviction when the tenant makes their payment. And typically (check your local rental laws), when you file for rent court/eviction, that legal paperwork is delivered for you and you let it do the talking. There is no reason for you to go there in person, but when you do, bring someone else with you.

    Also, stop getting sucked into long-winded conversations. There are kind, professional ways to cut someone off. Tone of voice helps too. But just cut them off or you're just going to be stuck there in a pointless conversation about people hiding behind trees or about why they can't pay you rent.

    Set boundaries and expectations! Best of luck!

    agreed with Nicole, all of our tenants mail us the check. the rent due dates i would follow very closely. issue the right letter at the right time so you won't waste anymore time/money when it comes to evicting them. If they are late on rent and you are not doing the eviction process then you are risking of dragging on even the lease is up. We never rented to any section 8 tenants since we are in the higher rent market we can generally get higher rent than the section 8 voucher. I had friends went through great deals of evicting section 8 and still get sue by them at the end. another person mentioned when lease is up get everyone out. I would do basic rehab as each unit vacant get higher rent and really vet a good tenant. We take this process really serious and once we place them in there we never had any problems. I guess this is learning from 10 years of SFRs rental and dealt with people from all walks of life. with time and research you will get better at this. 

Join the conversationCreate a free account to reply, vote on answers and follow this thread.