Converting single HVAC system into two systems for duplex

Converting single HVAC system into two systems for duplex

CA · Member since 2018 · 9 posts · 2 votes

I'm a newbie at real estate investing and am about to purchase an up and down duplex that currently has one HVAC system in place (but does have two electric meters already). Currently, the owner pays all utilities.

Clearly, it's not ideal to only allow one tenant to control the temperature (which is what the current set up is). So, we know that we want to at least add some zoning control so that both tenants have some level of control over the thermostat. But it would, of course, be far better to have everything completely split and provide a separate furnace and hot water heater, etc. for both apartments. 

Has anyone dealt with this? We have no idea what to expect in terms of cost and the HVAC person we contacted cannot give an estimate until he gets into the property, which won't happen until we close. Just want to get a sense of how big of a project this may be. I know it's impossible to accurately estimate because every project/house is different but, again, just hoping for a general sense of what kind of headache/expense this may be.

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Flipper/Rehabber · Muscatine, IA · Member since 2019 · 29 posts · 13 votes
7y

@Colleen Murphy,  which route do you take and what was the outcome of your project?

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  • Flipper/Rehabber · Escondido, CA · Member since 2018 · 49 posts · 51 votes
    7y

    Hi Colleen,

    A couple of questions to get a sense of your goals.

    1. Are you looking to buy and hold?

    2. Do tenants pay both gas and electricity?

    3. How "green-minded" are you?

    Ironically, as a building consultant, i would probably provide the same answer regardless of how you answered 1-3 above.  I just state them so other Landlords may consider these points.

    You are correct, the units MUST have their own (controllable) heat source by California code.  It sounds as if this may have all been one house at one time?  If so, the present HVAC system was hopefully sized to accommodate the total square footage.  It may be possible to preserve the existing system for one of the floors and adding a new system to the other floor?  The downside to this strategy is now the old system will be over-sized for the given square footage its being used for.

    If it were I, and I wanted new, energy efficient systems I would go with mini-split through-the-wall units and or hreat-pump furnaces.  Theses technologies use electricity rather than gas (less carbon emissions) which you could ultimately offset with PV on the roof and get FREE heating.  My second choice would be sealed-combustion natural gas furnaces sized appropriately.  Both technologies are slightly higher in upfront costs but durability, safety, and future PV offset could mean a wise choice.

    Hope this helps,

    Kevin Beck

  • CA · Member since 2018 · 9 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    Thank you so much for your response (and sorry for the delayed message!). This was VERY helpful and detailed and much appreciated. 

    Yes, this duplex was once just one house. The house is actually in Ohio and is at least 140 years old. We definitely need to get in there to see what options we have but I am grateful for the information you provided above so that we have a starting place with our HVAC person. 

    Thanks again!

  • Brandon SturgillBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Columbus, OH · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    @Colleen Murphy Take this with a grain of salt, but most low to mid-range rentals in the Midwest rely on window a/c units...which is perfectly acceptable (just don't skimp and install them right if you do this). As far as a heat source goes, you definitely need one in Ohio...and if you have utility gas, you have multiple options that will suffice...having a dedicated furnace is nice, but if the property isn't setup for that configuration you may have some added costs with installation. 

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  • Realtor · Rootstown, OH · Member since 2018 · 98 posts · 39 votes
    7y

    You may want to consider electric baseboard heating. The electric is already split so that may be the most economically choice for you. You can use the current system to supply one unit and then they can pay the gas bill.  Are the water heaters electric or gas? Is there two or only one? If there is only one or they are gas then I would make the one unit all electric and put the water heater as electric too.

  • CA · Member since 2018 · 9 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    Thank you Rob and Brandon. All of this information will help us as we work with HVAC professionals and consider options that we hadn't considered previously. We hadn't thought about the possibility of using electric baseboard heat but that actually may be the most economical option. The water heater (only one) is gas so I really like your suggestion to make one unit fully electric. Thanks again!

  • Rental Property Investor · VT · Member since 2017 · 233 posts · 147 votes
    7y

    @Colleen Murphy Maybe leave the current system for the downstairs unit. If gas is available, I would install a Rinnai unit or two for the upstairs unit (the residual heat from downstairs might mean you only need one). I would not recommend electric baseboard heat, that sh*t is stupid expensive to use.  It was in my duplex when I bought it, first electric bill was over $200 and it was in April, can't imagine what it was in Jan/Feb! Removed them and installed gas heating units, electric dropped to 50-60 a month!

  • Investor · Louisville, KY · Member since 2017 · 199 posts · 253 votes
    7y

    I would not bring in a HVAC contractor for this challenge. It will end up costing a fortune.

    If this is an older two story home that has a unit downstairs and a unit upstairs I would assume the total unit space is less than 1000 sf per floor. In that case I would purchase four window style air conditioner/heaters to mount into two of the windows per unit.

    That means each apartment will have two units they can control and this will be more than enough to heat and cool 1000 sf or less providing you purchase them to accomadate the correct square footage.

    The pros and cons of going this route:

    Pros:

    Cost. You should be able to purchase for less than $500 each for a total of $2,000 or less in material cost.

    A handyman to mount and install all four should not run more than $500 so a grand total of $2,500 material and labor. Compare that against the cost of having two furnace and air units installed and all Freon lines and duct work ran through the ceilings and floors.

    If a unit ever goes down in a cold winter or hot summer the tenant has a second unit as a back up to use until the broken one is repaired.

    You will not have to get the call saying a heroine addict has stolen an entire outside air unit for scrap and you need to replace it asap because its 94 degrees outside.

    No pilot lights to go out on a furnace. 

    Cons:

    The electric will run higher. But you are not paying for the electric anyway.

    It doesn't look as fancy as a nice shiny hvac unit outside.

    It will not sell as quick or for as much if it has window units.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Muscatine, IA · Member since 2019 · 29 posts · 13 votes
    7y

    @Colleen Murphy,  which route do you take and what was the outcome of your project?

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