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First post to the forums, and I'm sitting on a puzzle.

My wife is concerned about her father's financial position and thinks we should buy his condo. He's 82 and agreeable to selling. Average of the last year's sold comps puts the value spot on $300k. He has a mortgage at 4.125% with a 90k balance, a monthly P&I payment of $895, and 17 years left to pay. 

He's willing to sell at a reduced price, reflecting the equity that would be hers if he passed abruptly. However, she has two other sisters who are equal 1/3 stakeholders in the equity. He's agreeable to us assuming the existing mortgage. He would live in the property until he passed (or required full-time care), so we won't see returns from rental income, just appreciation and principal pay down.

I gotta admit -- there's too many moving parts here for me. How do I structure a deal that respects all the stakeholders and still produces a (potential) return? How do I evaluate returns at various price points and under complex financing structures? I've labored over homebrew spreadsheets and online sources for a couple of days, including Dave Meyer's Total Return calculator, to no avail. My other deals have been boring, on-market, house-hacked SFHs and a small multi. I'm simply out of my depth here.

I'd be grateful for any thoughts.

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    Quote from @Ken M.:
    Quote from @Clay White:

    First post to the forums, and I'm sitting on a puzzle.

    My wife is concerned about her father's financial position and thinks we should buy his condo. He's 82 and agreeable to selling. Average of the last year's sold comps puts the value spot on $300k. He has a mortgage at 4.125% with a 90k balance, a monthly P&I payment of $895, and 17 years left to pay. 

    He's willing to sell at a reduced price, reflecting the equity that would be hers if he passed abruptly. However, she has two other sisters who are equal 1/3 stakeholders in the equity. He's agreeable to us assuming the existing mortgage. He would live in the property until he passed (or required full-time care), so we won't see returns from rental income, just appreciation and principal pay down.

    I gotta admit -- there's too many moving parts here for me. How do I structure a deal that respects all the stakeholders and still produces a (potential) return? How do I evaluate returns at various price points and under complex financing structures? I've labored over homebrew spreadsheets and online sources for a couple of days, including Dave Meyer's Total Return calculator, to no avail. My other deals have been boring, on-market, house-hacked SFHs and a small multi. I'm simply out of my depth here.

    I'd be grateful for any thoughts.

    I'd first talk to a CPA. There is something called a stepped up basis for tax purposes that comes into play when the amount of gains gets large enough. Sometimes, it makes sense to inherit, rather than to buy it from him.

     Thanks, Ken. That hadn't occurred to me. Will do.

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