How to Transfer Income to Kids

How to Transfer Income to Kids

Queen Creek, AZ · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes

We bought a house earlier this year in Milwaukee with owner financing and I have a question on how I can involve my kids in this transaction.  I do have an accountant but being in the middle of tax season I hame hoping to get a few ideas to bounce off hime before I pull him into the discussion.

The complicating factor for this house is that we bought it with owner financing and I don't want to freak out the former owner with a title change so I want to keep the house in my LLC's name for the next few years until the balloon is due on this loan. I already have created the LLC for my sons, I have a small stake in that LLC.

I have thought of two ways I can approach this but would be interested on thoughts from the group on benefits / drawbacks of these approaches.

Approach 1: Create a master lease / NNN Lease to my sons entity along with a Option to purchase. This would make the boys responsible for all taxes, insurance, and maintenance. I see the issues with this as keeping quickbooks straight so that the taxes are clear at the end of the year. Our PM won't set up an account with the boys entity due to the property still being in our LLC not theirs so rents would have to flow into our entity, net of expenses, and then transfer through to the boys. My LLC would have to be cash neutral with the boys showing the profit. The lease option would be a sliding purchase price based on the amount of time they have held the lease.

-  Anyone have thoughts how depreciation would work in this scenario?  I would expect the depreciation to stay in my entity until the purchase option is triggered then I would have recapture.  Any thoughts on how the Purchase option fee would work?  Would that become part of the purchase price for them when we do the transfer and part of the sale proceeds for us when we sell or is that all accounted for at the time of the sale?  They have a few thousand to put towards the deal.

Approach 2:  Sell to the boys on a land contract and hold off on recording it.  I would likely have the same issue with the PM on this but there would be a purchase agreement with a date and a payment schedule so I would eliminate any complexity around how to handle the purchase option fee.

I am open to other ideas that don't change title and thus trigger the due on sale clause but would help document the  cashflow in they boys entity.

@Marcus Auerbach

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  • Ashish AcharyaBusiness Member
    CPA, CFP®, PFS · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2017 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    4y

    - I already have created the LLC for my sons, I have a small stake in that LLC. - might not be the best move from a tax compliance perspective.

    - non of these methods are required if you are just trying to shift income to them. 

    - Not sure how old your kids are.  Why not W-2 or 1099s? 

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  • Lance LvovskyPro Member
    Accountant · Fort Lauderdale, FL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 753 votes
    4y

    How about gifting LLC membership interests to the kids (or selling it). The LLC is the one who is the borrower on the loan. Gifting the membership interest (or selling it) to your kids changed the ownership of the LLC, but the LLC is still on the hook for the loan. Need to be mindful of any personal guarantors and whether the promissory note has any clauses regarding change in ownership of LLC.

  • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    4y

    @Bob E.LLC's are pass through tax entities, so it won't make a difference. A better way is probably to emply your kids in some way, so they can earn money, which is an expense to you.

  • Investor · Fairfax, VA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 804 votes
    4y

    I would NOT sell the house to your boys.  Let them inherit the property so that they can get a step up in the cost basis.  This is the real gift of real estate!!  You can certainly lease it to them anyway you want if your trying to create income, but do not sell!

  • Queen Creek, AZ · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    4y

    @John M.  The point is not so much to transfer the income but the property.  I want them to finish college and have their first rental and the knowledge of how to run it.  At this point the knowledge is more important than the earnings.

  • Investor · Fairfax, VA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 804 votes
    4y

    Noted!  But they don't need to own it to have rental experience!!  I manage one property for my parents and I am not the owner.  I pay the taxes, insurance, handle leasing, coordinate maintenance etc.  The benefit to me is that when I inherit I get a step up in the cost basis saving me thousands in taxes if I decide to sell it AFTER Inherit it.    

  • Queen Creek, AZ · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    4y

    I talked to our lawyer today.  We will be drafting up a sale to the boys entity subject to.  If we get called on  the loan we will jut pay it off.

    I am a firm believer in training with live ammo.  It's the difference between reading a book on auto repair and going and wrenching on your own car.  Hopefully they will take to it and spend the next 50 years building their own portfolio's.  Inheritance is great but I am looking for them to gain the confidence that comes with building your own income stream.  

    For tax purposes they will have their own entity with income and expenses, including loan payments to me.   They will have a chance to do their taxes, generate a K1, and learn from that experience as well.

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