Help needed for a creative purchase

Help needed for a creative purchase

Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2008 · 2 posts · 0 votes

I need some advice from people that know enough about the industry to think creatively and innovatively about this. I'm very much a "where there's a will there's a way" kind of girl and I'm convinced that there is a way to get this done. I apologize in advance for all of the background.

My husband and I fell on hard times with job-loss and illness and had to file a ch7 that was discharged 3-29-07. We lost our house in the bankruptcy as well. Then, we got into a bad lease to own deal and lost about $5k (option and monthly credit) on a house that ended up losing so much value that we couldn't purchase it. The owner was about $35k upside down on it.

We are now in an apartment with three kids and a large dog. I desperately want to get into a house. We've been paying our bills on time and rebuilding our credit but our scores are only in the mid to high 500's.

There is a house that I have always admired that is on the market. It was sold to the bank at a sheriff sale this past June and the basement was flooded only days later during the awful floods around that time. They have stripped the drywall and carpet out of the basement (bi-level). It is list at around $80k but could sell for $110 - $120, even in this market. It's a 3 bedroom bilevel with 2 baths, sunroom and small inground pool and two car garage.

I would like to buy the house and live upstairs while we finish the basement. Problem is, I don't think we can get financing and I won't have a decent down payment until we get our tax return early February. I have a creative solution though and wanted some advice.

My dad has sparkling credit. He has talked about REI for several years, but never made a move. I would like to approach him with an offer to purchase the house with a 203k mortgage and we can move in and rent the property from him until we can get a mortgage at a decent rate (either this April or next).

I would be able to give him a down payment of at least 3% in February and most likely pay an extra $100 over the mortgage until we can finance. If I'm correct, as long as we make 12 mos payments on a lease-option, it is considered a refi, right? Then we will purchase the house with our own mortgage and figure in an additional $5k for his profit into the selling price. This would give him cash to reinvest and a return on his investment/time/trouble.

If I understand it right, the 203k would allow for him to finance the repairs and the mortgage payments during the repairs. If we stretch the repairs out through January, which shouldn't be hard to do considering the whole basement needs to be completely redone, he won't make a payment until we are in there to make the payment for him.

If he can show that he will have a tenant for the property once rehab is done, can that go towards his income for consideration?

Am I nuts or is this viable????

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  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
    17y

    As an investment, paying $80K for a house worth $110 and that needs a lot of work is a bad investment. Assuming its nothing buy sheetrock, paint and carpet, you're looking at $10K+ to fix that mess. Most likely, there's more works needed than just sheetrock and carpet since the water may have damaged the studs or electrical. Is the furnace in the basement? If it set in the water, its probably damaged too and will need to be replaced. I'd be looking to pay less than $60K for this deal.

    Aren't 203k loans for owner occupants? If your dad got the loan, he would have to live there.

    Yes, if a property is tenant occupied, a portion of the rent (typically 75%) will count as income toward the loan payments. May have to have a signed lease to show the lender.

    What effect does it have on your dad if you don't make the rent payments? Frankly, you've shown yourself to be a bad risk. Would you just move out or would your dad be able to evict you if you don't pay rent? Or, would you continue to live there and expect him to make the payments even though you're not paying the rent. Is that going to leave him in a bind? At best, you're trying to borrow your dads credit because you've messed yours up. If your lives turn bad again, you'll end up dragging him into a bad situation with you.

    If your dad really want's to get involved with real estate, let him do that on his own.

    I'm not an expert on credit, but I don't see you getting from high 500's to a level where you could get a mortgage in a year. The lending climate is much different now than a few years ago, and higher scores are needed.

    As an investor, one of the lessons I had to learn is to never, ever fall in love with any house. They're just houses. This is a bank owned house. That's ever worse. Realistically, your chances of buying this particular house are very low, about 1 in 10 in my experience. If you're determined to buy this one, you're setting yourself up for heartbreak. Especially given your shaky financial situation. If you could go to the listing agent today and make a cash offer for $85K, you could probably buy it. You would overpay, and you would need the cash, but you could get it. Getting good deals requires that you be willing to walk away from any house because you will walk away from most of them.

    Why don't you just find someplace to rent? I have to think there are plenty of houses available for rent in your area. Find a house you can rent that meets your needs and is affordable. Pay your bills and save up some cash and you will be able to buy a house in a few years. Don't involve your father.

  • Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2008 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    17y

    Thanks for the advice Jon. You've given me some more things to think about.

    As far as our financial picture goes, we are in a good place with our income vs. debt, monthly cash flow, and payments. Our credit scores just need time and continued good history.

    The lease to own was a shady deal and we always paid our payment on time and improved the property. We discovered later that we were given a bogus appraisal and were stuck making large monthly payments for the house and not really having the option to purchase it and found somewhere else cheaper to live.

    As for the house that I'm interested in. I wouldn't pay the $80k for it either. I agree that it's overpriced and had $60k or less in mind as well. My family is in home construction and remodel so I'm aware that it will be at least $10k and upwards.

    I would never stiff my dad on the rent and if something came up where we were not able to make the payments. I would do everything in my power to either resolve the situation or help him find someone else to rent it.

    Why does everyone automatically assume that you are a deadbeat if you've had credit problems? No one ever takes the time to consider that maybe you had some medical bills, tried to keep things going but lost your job and just couldn't pull out of the spiral.

    I'd be interested in working with another investor to buy a house if they were ethical and legit. We were totally scammed before and I can't afford another mistake like that.

    Thanks for your advice and comments.

  • Real Estate Investor · OH · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 86 votes
    17y

    You didn't address the biggest issue and thats what type of financing your father will have to pull to buy the home. As Jon stated. 203K is for OO and the condition of the home will force him to go with a conventional mort, meaning most likely 20% down.

    Financing and timing this rehab is going to be your biggest issue. Getting your father involved is another story, but a personal choice.

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Conroe, TX · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 43 votes
    17y

    I were in your same situation and just had to have a house, I'd look for something selling at around 65% LTV with very few repairs. At this margin....no one cares about credit.

    As for tradition credit programs, you will need on the average, a 580 mid score.....24 months seasoning on the BK and 36 months seasoning on the FC.

    Also like Jon said, I would keep family out of it but, I would on the other hand look for private money.

    My reasoning would be to put a deal together to make enough money to put a deal together, to make enough money, to put a deal together.....to make enough money....to......Also, do not fall in love with houses....given enough time, they all turn back into dirt.

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