Newbie in need of some direction!

Newbie in need of some direction!

CT · Member since 2014 · 54 posts · 18 votes

Hey, everyone! So I've been perusing through BP for a week or so now, and have spent SO many hours each day reading through the forums, blogs, articles, ebooks, listening to podcasts... the amount of knowledge on this site is incredible, so I figured it might be time to say a little hello (Hi!) and reach out for some advice!

I am 24 and currently in West Africa in the Peace Corps, and am trying to figure out what to do with myself once I get back stateside. I'm a born-and-bred Nutmegger (Connecticut), and spent my college years in NYC. I'm from northwestern CT originally, and probably envision myself settling down in CT either in the Hartford area (W. Hartford, Avon, Canton, Bloomfield, etc.) or by the shore in the New Haven area.

Once I do get back to the states, I think I'll probably get a full-time meh-paying job in the nonprofit sector, perhaps working with an NGO or a community-based organization, and eventually get back to school for my Master's in international development, but I really have been looking for some sort of investment opportunity that I can get behind to complement (justify, really) a mediocre salary for a career path that will put me in the sort of jobs that will make me happy with life (but still leave me with bills). I also am disgusted with the ~$50,000 I spent on rent money that I'll never see again after living in Manhattan for so long. The first article I came across (which led me to BP) was Brandon's 7 Years to 7 Figure Wealth, which fascinated me. I know it's just a rough guideline, but it inspired me to look down that path.

Mostly, I've been researching (/am interested in) 3 and 4plexes in CT cities... in particular, Waterbury. I've also been peeking into New Haven, Bristol, Torrington; I'm not really interested in going into Bridgeport or Hartford at this point, or really anything on the eastern half of the state). Waterbury seems to have a decent number of somewhat distressed 3-4plexes selling for under 20k, which would require maybe 20-30k worth of rehab and redecoration to get in rental shape (certainly not to get them beautiful). Alternatively, there are more 3-4plexes for around 80k that are structurally fine, but could use 5-10k in TLC to make them more sellable, so maybe a total buy-in of 90k. Rents in the area are about 600-650 for a 2br, 700-800 for a 3br (or with Section 8 tenants, I think the maximum for a 3br would be high 900s). A lot of the houses selling for under 30K were bought maybe 10 years ago for over 150k+, similar for the higher end ones under 100k (an 80k 4plex I like sold for 290 in 2006, e.g.). A lot of these are foreclosures if vacant, and the ones occupied seem to be investors just trying to sell cheap. 

These houses are mostly in... well, not great areas. I've been reading a lot about what qualifies a C or D property or a war-zone. The properties are definitely built in the early 1900s for the most part, functioning but not beautiful, and definitely not on affluent streets. Still, there's not really gang activity, shoot outs, or significant theft or vandalism very prevalent in these neighborhoods. I would want to self-manage the properties, and would adhere to the rule of thumb of not buying a place that I wouldn't want to go to at night to collect rent, but these are definitely locations I would never live in myself. Is there anyone who would strongly advise for or against this? It seems somewhat better for cash flow, but resale seems to be a struggle... not that I want to hold them for 20 years, but following Brandon's model, it seems like by year 3-5 or so, I would want to sell off the properties (and to be honest, most of them I could pay off the mortgages with the cashflow after 5 years anyways). 

I am drawn to these sorts of low-cost buildings and neighborhoods because I just don't have a ton of capitol or resources to get running - also, I have a lot of student debt (not quite 6 figures, but I'm pushing it). I'll have about 7K in my savings account when I do get back to the states (after buying a car), and will probably get started right away at a job to try to start saving a bit, but I definitely would not have the money to put a 20% DP on a nice 100-200K 4plex plus repair costs. I would go down the FHA route and just live in a unit, except I do not really get salary in the PC, and I know you have to have 2 years at the same job with equal or raised pay to qualify for FHA. That's why it seems most economical to get a loan on a 20K building that I can easily put the 20% down on, and find money for repairs or go apartment-by-apartment and renting out the UTD ones whilst saving up and repairing the rest. Should I just give up on this and save up for a few years until I can amass 20k or so? Am I just looking at a terrible market? Long-term, I would love to amass 3-4plexes and commercial apartment buildings in the New Haven area and market them specifically to students (Yale/SCSU), but I don't think that's something I'm ready to tackle without more experience (and capitol).

Anyways, if you got through all this - thanks for listening to me blab on! I guess I don't have any specific questions, just needed somewhere to type out my thoughts and see if anything jumps out at anyone. :) 

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Investor · Bethel, CT · Member since 2014 · 55 posts · 12 votes
12y

Welcome @David A. , I am also a newbie and only joined BP a few months ago myself.  Like yourself I spent a lot of time reading posts and listening to Podcasts (all of them now) and I plan to invest in the spring.  I am also struggling with where to invest.  CT prices certainly are not the cheapest and it does appear that you get more bang for your buck in other states, particularly in the mid-west.  I have read posts from several investors on BP from more expensive markets like California, where prices are even higher in some places than CT, that invest long distance for than reason.  So I am considering this as an option.  I contacted someone who did a podcast on BP that is currently offering turnkey properties in Ohio that they manage after investors buy the property.  The cash flow seems very attractive and it seems to be a very much a hands off prospect.  I am also considering lower income properties in Danbury, CT, which is near me getting tenants from a local non-profit program as @Bradley Bogdan mentioned.  Cash flows seem profitable with those as well although I still need to research the details.  Plus this may be less hands off on my part.

Anyway, good luck to you!

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  • Investor · Eureka, CA · Member since 2014 · 233 posts · 222 votes
    12y

    Hi @David A. and welcome! 

    It sounds like you've put some good thought into a strategy and location. I would continue to put effort into knowing the area you plan on moving back to in CT, studying rents, values, what local BPers are talking about, etc. It will give you the best opportunity to get rolling when you get back with the smallest learning curve. From there, you can look into either the FHA 203 (Buy and Rehab) loan, or just a regular FHA loan if you're willing to live on premise, which should allow you to get started for close to what you'll have saved.

    Seeing as you're into the non-profit world, it seems participating in a program such as Section 8 or HUDVASH would be right up your alley. To take it a step farther, you could pursue a relationship with your local housing related non-profits and perhaps develop a niche for serving low income renters with a constant stream of referrals from the agencies, and usually some financial backing from their rapid rehousing programs or similar aids. 

    Anyway, welcome again and keep us up to date about your journey!

  • FL · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 357 votes
    12y

    @David A.,

    Welcome to the Best Real Estate Site on the Net.

    It is always nice to see another Ct., resident in the forums.

    Click on the "learn tab" at the top of this page, and you could be spending 

    many hours on the Information that is available.

    Raymond

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    Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    Welcome, David!  The niche you are considering sounds very similar to what I am currently operating in.  Your money will go farther and you'll be able to buy more units faster in the low income areas.  Be realistic with your cash flow projections (agree you won't see much appreciation) and with how much time you have to self manage, because this demographic is far more time consuming.  If I had it to do all over again, I probably would keep the same strategy, but I think I would have been much more selective about which properties we bought - spend a lot of time getting to know the neighborhood, try to get units close together so you have more control over neighbors, and look for the pockets of quiet and well kept streets on the edges instead of being right smack in the middle of the problematic areas.

  • Investor · Bethel, CT · Member since 2014 · 55 posts · 12 votes
    12y

    Welcome @David A. , I am also a newbie and only joined BP a few months ago myself.  Like yourself I spent a lot of time reading posts and listening to Podcasts (all of them now) and I plan to invest in the spring.  I am also struggling with where to invest.  CT prices certainly are not the cheapest and it does appear that you get more bang for your buck in other states, particularly in the mid-west.  I have read posts from several investors on BP from more expensive markets like California, where prices are even higher in some places than CT, that invest long distance for than reason.  So I am considering this as an option.  I contacted someone who did a podcast on BP that is currently offering turnkey properties in Ohio that they manage after investors buy the property.  The cash flow seems very attractive and it seems to be a very much a hands off prospect.  I am also considering lower income properties in Danbury, CT, which is near me getting tenants from a local non-profit program as @Bradley Bogdan mentioned.  Cash flows seem profitable with those as well although I still need to research the details.  Plus this may be less hands off on my part.

    Anyway, good luck to you!

  • Real Estate Investor · atlanta, GA · Member since 2013 · 456 posts · 237 votes
    12y

    BP is a great place to read, learn and network.  I don't do anything in your area but, from my network, I can tell you that there is renewed interest in hartford & new haven...mostly cheap properties that are then rented Section 8.  Problem is, when that sector crashes...and it will at some point, the properties will be worthless.  Everything in life is timing and a window of opportunity.  As an example - I have a property that I put $140k into pre-crash that was then worth about $210k....7 years later, I sold the property to a joint venture partner for $18k....could have gotten 36k for a cash sale.  That was beginning of this year.  The property is now worth $100k and we are doing about $25k in rehab on it, renting it and selling it off for about $140k.  Comps have started climbing because speculators are jumping into the area as there is a large redevelopment planned...that probably won't take off for years.  Our shared housing model makes the property cashflow to the point that it is worth about $150k on a 10% cap....and that's what our back-end buyers are after....pure cashflow with no reference to appraised value.

    Once you qualify, the 203 is a great program for you.  Start networking with a loan officer who handles it in those markets...you can probably find someone here.  Only other option is to find owner financing which isn't likely but give it a shot....or....find someone with a wrecked out property who might partner with you for cash and sweat equity.  The process of finding, rehabbing and flipping the actual deal is where the real learning and fun is.  I love this stuff or I'd never do it.  Instead of renting out the duplex or whatever you buy, create shared housing to help the community and earn better returns.....LUCK!

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