Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 899 votes
Some buyers are making deals work in today's market because they are buying properties not reflecting the NOI accurately. If you buy C vintage properties, be careful if operating expenses are less than 45% NOI. Realistically speaking, properties built between 1960-2002 should be running at 50-55% of effective gross income. A more effective way to determine if the operating expense ratio is realistic is to ask your property manager for the average expenses per unit for your class, size, and vintage property.
Operators want to decrease operating expenses as much as possible to increase the NOI (net operating income) to increase the property's sales value. As a buyer, here are things to look for on the T12:
1. No property management fee. Even if the seller manages the property, you probably won’t, so make sure you include the property management fee in your underwriting. Even if you will also manage the property yourself, your time is worth something.
2.Make sure repairs are not incorrectly categorized as Capex.
3. Double-check with your insurance broker if the insurance expense is reasonable.
4. Remember, property taxes will be reassessed to a higher amount based on the new purchase price. Make sure you double-check with the county.
As a real estate investor, it is your responsibility to double-check all the numbers.
Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
4y
Hot market = agents & owners looking for fools rushing in to take advantage of.
Just spoke with an owner of a 40 unit that wants 50% more than what the property is worth. Owner stated they're waiting for someone from OOS to buy it sight unseen.
Realtor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
4y
Recently, I have seen listings for 8-12 units with inaccurate expenses and it appears that the listing agent or seller is lying. An example would be this 6 unit that rented for 900/unit and averaged out at 716/month in expenses compared to it's 5400 gross monthly income. I'm not sure who would believe that but be careful when viewing listings in your market, and ask for as much information from the listing agent or seller as possible. As @Jason Malabute said, seller's can wrap maintenance costs inside of the capex category which gives an improper perception that the property is upgrading and getting ahead versus the reality where it is simply trying not to fall behind.
Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
4y
Hot market = agents & owners looking for fools rushing in to take advantage of.
Just spoke with an owner of a 40 unit that wants 50% more than what the property is worth. Owner stated they're waiting for someone from OOS to buy it sight unseen.
Hot market = agents & owners looking for fools rushing in to take advantage of.
Just spoke with an owner of a 40 unit that wants 50% more than what the property is worth. Owner stated they're waiting for someone from OOS to buy it sight unseen.
This has been my experience as well. Some properties are so overvalued it's eye watering. Many are selling based on pro-forma numbers. It's crazy.