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Updated over 3 years ago, 04/16/2021
- Real Estate Agent
- Buffalo, NY
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Why push the BRRRR so hard
I feel like someone needs to push back on the BRRRR strategy a bit. Disclaimer: I use the BRRRR strategy and it is a very powerful investing tool that can create great returns.
With that being said, I lost a lot of money on my first couple. Only now after 10+ years of investing, property managing, working as an agent, do I have enough systems in place where I am having some BRRRR's go well.
This strategy seems to be the most attractive to new investors. For the most part they are highly intelligent, successful in the industry they work in, and impatient. When they add up the returns of traditional RE investing it feels like it can take more than a lifetime to get to financial freedom and enough units to live on the beach. While that may be true what is not as easy to measure is the amount of risk these projects come with, how much can go wrong, and how you an actually come out of them WORSE OFF. I have done it.
BRRRR's are very tough to pull off. Experience seems to matter a lot more than intelligence on a BRRRR. Quotes can be all over the place from a high end large contracting outfit to a low end, uncle Bill, one man band contractor who does not have insurance and can under cut anyone's price by $20,000, until he can't finish the work, and needs another $40,000.
This is a very high risk strategy if you do not have all the pieces in place. It is comparable to D class investing with the amount of risk you are taking on. And it may amount to more risk because you can spend $50,000 to find out you are up a creek with the wrong contractor and have to start over. With a D class investment at least you have a finished asset in most cases.
On top of all of this if you are borrowing money from a HML and you are over budget, and over time, you are going to continue to pay dearly.
When you take into account a complex construction project that even seasoned veterans have trouble estimating, an order of operations that is not always crystal clear at the outset because you don't know what works and what is behind the walls, and the fact that you will be managing a plethora of contractors and subs, the BRRRR has as much that can go wrong as a high risk D class investment.
Like I always say with D class investing, they are fantastic returns... if everything goes right. Same comment on the BRRRR... great strategy, if everything goes right
- Matthew Irish-Jones