Clayton Morris Might Actually Change My Life

Clayton Morris Might Actually Change My Life

Fredericksburg, VA · Member since 2016 · 28 posts · 12 votes

What's going on BP Family?!

I'm so excited to share with you guys what I've discovered and the numbers I ran for my early retirement plan! I recently was introduced to a gentlemen's YouTube channel by a friend of mine. His name is Clayton Morris. Let me tell you this guy is no joke. He breaks down every aspect of creating passive income through buy and hold SFR and does it with such simplicity; no offense to him, but a 10 year old could understand it. I highly encourage you to check out that video because it could put your life into perspective as well.

Now, moving on to what I learned from Clayton. Clayton has this formula and idea called the 'Freedom Number'. What you do is you add up all your expenses for the month (you can do this by checking your bank account online obviously) and I mean ALL EXPENSES; including going out to eat or to the movies, then you add 10% to it just give you a little breathing room so you're not so constricted on your spending. So lets say all your expenses add up to $4,500 a month and you add the 10% for good luck. So 4,500 times .10; that equals an added $450. Which gives us a total of $4,950. Now just round that up to an even $5,000. $5,000 a month.

There it is, your Freedom Number! Oh, but it gets better! Now we're going to find out how many rental properties it's going to need in your portfolio to meet that goal of $5,000 a month. So what we're going to do is take the average rental price of $700 dollars a month. We want to be kind of conservative on this estimate so what Clayton does is he takes 40% out for repairs and vacancies. So 700 times .60 (the 40% taken out) equals $420. Alright, here is the moment of truth. We take the $5,000 and divide that by the $420 and we get 11.9. Round that up to 12 and that is the number of properties that you will need in your portfolio to reach $5,000 a month in cash flow! Amazing, right?!

So I ran my own scenario. Keep in mind, I don't have any expenses as of now. I don't even own a car and I have no credit history (I'm 24. Live at home with mom. Not afraid to admit it). What I've always wanted to do is just travel with my girlfriend and have money to spend while I'm traveling the world. So what I did is I made an Airbnb budget of $200 dollars a night or less for a one month vacation. That's $6,200 for one month plus I through on $5,000 for the plane tickets and anything else I might want to do or purchase while I'm on vacation. So $11,200 dollars MAX for a one month vacation.

I drew out a 10 year plan to retirement and here is what it looks like based on the Freedom Number method.

Starting at age 25

Retire by age 35

Acquiring 36 properties in 8 years

This would be 5 properties a year.

Which would be 40 properties by the end of year 8.

That would be $16,800 a month or $201,600 a year ( CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE BASED ON THE FREEDOM NUMBER SHEET BY CLAYTON MORRIS)

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Break down for 1 year:

$2,100 a month or $25,200 a year.

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By year 2, TECHNICALLY, I could quit my day job as an HVAC Technician making $4,200 a month or $50,400 a year as full time real estate investor.

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Rental Property Investor · New York, NY · Member since 2011 · 956 posts · 510 votes
9y

I commend your enthusiasm and motivation. However,

 you are brand new and totally inexperienced.

You'd be a MUCH wiser man to open your ears and close your mouth

and learn from these wise experienced people here on BP.

They have ALOT to offer.

See this reply in the discussion

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  • Investor · Wilmington, NC · Member since 2016 · 211 posts · 262 votes
    9y

    @Marci Stein

    No, no, he's got it all figured out.  Didn't you read, he watched a youtube video!  He's set.  His plan?  Well, why are you questioning him?!?!  He's not going to explain his plan, but trust him, it's a great one!  His millionaire uncle is going to finance 5 properties a year cash flow $420 dollars a month after repairs etc.  (no need to calculate roof repair, his houses won't need them).  And no need to calculate a mortgage payment into the numbers, the properties are given to him!  To quote him best "Amazing right?"  He's not worried about taking advice from people with years of experience and hundreds of transactions under their belt, and if worse comes to worse, he can always type things in all caps to get his point across!

  • Investor · Virginia Beach, VA · Member since 2015 · 83 posts · 34 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    @Derrick Dill  my client in in Indy that is doing turn key  puts NEW metal roofs with 40 year lifes and 15 year unlimited warrenties on all his homes... saves tenants 20 to 40% a month on utls bills its brilliant.... Spartan in B ham does this ... as well

     I don't know why this hasn't become standard practice.  There are so many benefits to a metal roof! and they aren't the old tin roofs from little house on the prairie anymore...

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    9y

    @Aaron Z.  one reason is it cost more to do... and you know some just want to squeeze every penny of profit they can out of a deal...

  • Mark S.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · KY · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 537 votes
    9y
    😂 This thread is hilarious. You might want to get a car to drive around to all your properties, or at least some rollerblades.
  • Investor · Virginia Beach, VA · Member since 2015 · 83 posts · 34 votes
    9y
    Jay Hinrichs I guess I should have said that I don't understand why it isn't valued more for what it provides. Lots of people upgrade their HVAC for efficiency or they put in windows with a better reputation or with a longer warranty or higher efficiency factor but almost no-one upgrades a roof to metal. Most don't even consider it an upgrade even though there are significant benefits. For a long term hold it absolutely makes sense and for high sun or high wind / hail areas it does as well. But if you have to spend more to acquire it and the general public only values it similarly to 3-tab asphalt then it will never gain popularity.
  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    9y

    @Aaron Z.  your correct but we are seeing it here in PDX its not wind or hail.. its Moss and needles under the tree's plug cold it works well for those.

    My client in Indy just has a great product.. for his turn key buyers... they don't pay more for the same cash flow they just get a great house that will hold tenants long term. because the utls are so much less.  And that my friend is how you make money in the rental business.... Mitigate turn over.

  • Spring, TX · Member since 2016 · 243 posts · 203 votes
    9y

    @Raheem Jamaal Just make sure to verify the numbers on any deals. I've seen people on here touting estimated rental incomes of over 50% higher than what the area actually rents for. Also you'd want to calculate out all the expenses yourself and like others have mentioned already, don't forget to include P&I.

    I think as long as your numbers work and you do your due diligence, you'll be successful in the long term. Don't let anything deter you, we all aren't successful in every deal. In 2015, my IRA account was down 40% at one point (was learning stocks still), but in 2016 I tweaked my strategy I was up over 20% for 2016.

  • Investor · Bedford, IN · Member since 2015 · 69 posts · 29 votes
    9y

    I applaud you and say "Jump In with Both Feet" and go for it.  I don't know who this Clayton fella is, but I do know that there is a difference between people who read about winners and WIN and people who don't even TRY.  I say go for it!  Do it!  It can be your destiny!  Don't let anyone discourage you........  GO FOR IT!  If you win then GREAT.  If you don't then you have learned.  Get back up, and go WIN!

    My story started out by buying a property for 20K selling it for 80K and only losing 15K.  But if I never did that first deal then I would never have learned.

    I did not give up.  And I learn every single day.  

  • HSE Specialist · Minot, ND · Member since 2015 · 11 posts · 3 votes
    9y

    I hope to read your success story in the near future!  There are a lot of wise and experienced investors in the BP forums so make sure to reach out of you need any advise.  Good luck!

  • New Haven, CT · Member since 2016 · 90 posts · 99 votes
    9y

    25, no expenses, no car, no credit (never had bills "responsibilities") lives with mom. However, you are going to reject people on here who have been doing this for years with your superb knowledge of absolutely nothing in life and become a traveling passive income machine by the time you are 35.

    Good luck.

  • Rental Property Investor · Saint Cloud, WI · Member since 2016 · 186 posts · 63 votes
    9y
    Raheem, I love how you think and will also add this for motivation. I decided at a Younger age to go after my dream. I told everyone about it. EVERY SINGLE PERSON told me it would never work. Every one doubted me. 12 years later I was making more money than most doctors and working less and less each year. When I hear people say "you can't do it" or "I hate to bust your bubble" I smile. In 10 years come back here and post why you smiled too. Go get it! Shane
  • Buy and Hold Investor · Florham Park, NJ · Member since 2014 · 8 posts · 14 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Raheem Jamaal:

    What's going on BP Family?!

    I'm so excited to share with you guys what I've discovered and the numbers I ran for my early retirement plan! I recently was introduced to a gentlemen's YouTube channel by a friend of mine. His name is Clayton Morris. Let me tell you this guy is no joke. His video that really hit home with me is this one right here. He breaks down every aspect of creating passive income through buy and hold SFR and does it with such simplicity; no offense to him, but a 10 year old could understand it. I highly encourage you to check out that video because it could put your life into perspective as well.

    Here is a link to the Freedom Number Cheatsheet

    Hope you enjoyed my post, PLEASE, leave your comments on what you think of my post and the video that I linked in the post!

    Thanks Raheem. You’re inspiring!!!

    Thanks for your kind words. I’m just thrilled that you're taking action to build passive income and build legacy wealth for you and your family.

    I grew up with a lot of negative associations around money. My parents believed that living paycheck to paycheck was the only way. Working for someone else was all there was. We didn't have much money. They didn't understand that you could acquire assets that would perform at a high level. There was a lot of fears around money in my house.

    I watched my dad lose his job when I was 13 years old and I thought my life was over. He was “downsized” and I remember him pacing around the kitchen with an anger in his face. His self worth was tied to this paycheck and he felt like such a failure. Now as a father I understand that more than I care to admit. So it really warms my heart that you’re breaking that cycle in your own family.

    I achieved financial freedom through affordable rental real estate which has been my bread and butter (even during the recession). My tenants pay on time, they work hard, and they stay for many years (even during the recession). The postal employee with two kids at home doesn’t lose her job in a recession. She’s a typical tenant for me.

    That’s how I’ve achieved financial freedom. It’s not for everyone. If it’s not for you then that’s great! Some people like buying land, others mobile homes, others A-class neighborhoods, others 100 unit apartment buildings, others vacation rentals, etc.

    I stayed laser focused on one path, not eight. Pick one that works for you.

    When people tell you that you can’t do it just smile and stay on the path. My mentor, who owns hundreds of the same houses I do, likes to say that people who tell you can’t do something have never done it themselves.

    Thanks again Raheem for taking action however you do it. I’m proud of you! I answer my emails every day so please email me if you ever have any questions. God bless you!

    Clayton

  • Buy and Hold Investor · Florham Park, NJ · Member since 2014 · 8 posts · 14 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Anthony Newbold:

    I applaud you and say "Jump In with Both Feet" and go for it.  I don't know who this Clayton fella is, but I do know that there is a difference between people who read about winners and WIN and people who don't even TRY.  I say go for it!  Do it! .

    I did not give up.  And I learn every single day.  

     Yes! Internet forums need more people like you who encourage people to take action instead of looking for excuses to sit on their hands. There's a difference between someone who never takes action and someone like you. The difference is success. 

  • Sacramento, CA · Member since 2017 · 4 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    @Shane Baganz mI a newbie to BP Lol. I totally LOVE your positivity and encouragement. Thanks for being a SHINING STAR...

  • Sacramento, CA · Member since 2017 · 4 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    @Jay Hinrichs you're obviously and experienced investor thanks for the great insight you bring to BP!

  • Sacramento, CA · Member since 2017 · 4 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    @Raheem Jamaal...GO GET what yours!!! I LOVE your Spirit and Hustle I believe you will be SUCCESSFUL...Go and be GREAT

  • Fredericksburg, VA · Member since 2016 · 28 posts · 12 votes
    9y

    I thank all of you for the words of encouragement and thank you @Account Closed for making a guest appearance on my post and enlightening people with your own knowledge and experience. I just know it sparked something in me when I watched your passive income video and it will continue to spark something in many other people for years to come. For anybody that lacks faith in my abilities here, I understand where you're coming from. For some this would be like doing the impossible. I have a lot to learn and maybe I am a bit naive with my numbers, but WHO CARES? This will all be a learning experience for me and so what if I don't hit it out of the park. I'm going to give it my all and that's what I'm going to do regardless.

    Cheers once again!

  • Joel OwensBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    9y

    Applied Accurate Knowledge is power.

    Without getting accurate information and applying it properly you get little to no results.

    Enthusiasm only goes so far. You have to learn from those who went before you that have REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE versus theory or mindful thoughts of what could be.

    Set big long term goals worked backwards into smaller goals until you reach your day one starting point. Dreams can work toward becoming reality with step by step daily actions.

    Raheem should go visit his local real estate investment association to see the realities of his local market and the implementation of his plan.

    If anyone thinks they are going to own tons of low income properties and have nothing to do with these tenants and be completely passive that is laughable at best.

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2016 · 35 posts · 49 votes
    9y
    Raheem Jamaal you should follow Tyler Jahnke 's blog about his Morris experience, it's a great resource and ongoing
  • Johnson City, TN · Member since 2014 · 586 posts · 705 votes
    9y

    What's that thing called that lives under a bridge?

  • Alameda, CA · Member since 2017 · 1 post · 0 votes
    9y

    Only a week ago I could not have imagined getting excited about things like, analyzing cash flow, ROI, 1031 exchanges, or how to organize bank accounts. I am obviously a baby at this, so I can't yet speak to whether or not investing in 40K rental properties in somewhat distressed neighborhoods, out of state, is a good strategy or not, and even the BiggerPocket Community appears split on that.

    What I CAN say, is that I am taking some solid steps through the REI fog thanks to @Account Closed. Funny how the Universe works.

    Aside from taking this opportunity as a coming out post, I was wondering if any of you care to comment on the following deal.

    For a rental property for purchase at 41800 (rehab'd) with an assumed rent of 650 I'd be looking at a cash flow of roughly $175 per month. This is after taking out 40% vacancy and repairs, 75$ for tax, and interest. All and all leaving a 5% ROI, before including any principal payments.

    So, this being the "Buy Phase" I'd be OK with putting the entire monthly cash flow towards that principal. However, that's were this starts making less sense to me. It would take me close to 20 years to own the place at this rate (check my math please...) and to have it produce some passive income. In addition, I would need to get 19 more such properties fairly rapidly, in order to have something close to a decent retirement check. Am I missing something?

    Thanks, any feedback is appreciated!

  • Johnson City, TN · Member since 2014 · 586 posts · 705 votes
    9y

    Check with Raheem. Apparently he has a method of getting these properties for free.

  • Rental Property Investor · Alexandria, VA · Member since 2016 · 75 posts · 58 votes
    9y

    Clayton is a legit investor. He is a decent guy and I like him personally. I listen to his podcast regularly and I talked to him personally before, but we couldn't do business together and here is why (personal opinion):

    1- Clayton's calculations are a simplified version of the truth. He doesn't count for CapEx because he does a complete gut rehab. He deducts 40% for tax, insurance and maintenance, but that percentage is not always a good estimate. It helps you to make a quick decision if the deal you are looking at is worth the time for deeper analysis, but I wouldn't make a final decision using his simple approach.

    2- Clayton is all about getting investors to overcome their fears, and again that makes him simplify the true cost of owning real estate. He doesn't discuss the intricacies. He does that because if you invest with him, he will take care of your headache, but personally I'm hands on, so that didn't work for me. 

    3- He sent me couple of deals, and when I asked for photos, he said sure, but never sent any photos. I asked other legit questions about the property but he ignored them. When I said, I like the deal but i would like you to answer my questions, he said "Great, I'll have my assistant send the contract", but never addressed my concerns.

    4- Clayton doesn't send deals when they are available, he sends you only one deal that matches your investing strategy. That is not always good because I've seen OTHER investors/wholesalers try to change the facts to make the deal appealing because they know what are you looking for exactly. Clayton is a good guy so I don't expect him to do that, but I don't like the fact that he sends one deal and if you don't take it, he gets upset and never sends you other deals.

    5- Clayton doesn't push you to buy the deal, but he says his deals last only 2 hours. If that's true, then he has investors that he wants to make them happy, maybe happier than you, so I don't know what deals he would send you as a newbie.

    6- Clayton owns close to 50 rental property, and he has access to lenders, so why would he send you the amazing deals if he can add it to his portfolio? 

    7- Clayton invests in high crime areas. I didn't believe that until I started working with a great mentor and we looked together on hundreds of deals.

    8- When you invest with Clayton, you are paying a premium price. The sale price is really high and you can get similar properties for $10k less from other wholesalers.

    To be fair to the guy, I like Clayton and his wife Natali. They added so much knowledge to my investing career. I like their podcast and I think it's very good source of information to any serious investor (did I say that already?).

    If you really want to be HANDS OFF investor, and you don't mind to pay extra for that convenience, Clayton is one of the best out there. If you want to get to your freedom number earlier, save decent money, learn the ins and outs of the business, and be on top of YOUR OWN investments, then find a good mentor, learn the business and do it yourself.

    “You give a poor man a fish and you feed him for a day. You teach him to fish and you give him an occupation that will feed him for a lifetime.” (Chinese proverb.)

    Good luck!

  • Mark S.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · KY · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 537 votes
    9y
    Gunther S. , listen to Get Rich Education podcast with Keith Weinhold.
  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    9y

    @Sam Alomari  nice post but I think you miss the point a little bit.

    you simply cannot do a full gut rehab and sell a turn key and make a profit at 40k a house. Not possible.  on other threads rehab amounts coming from the Morris team are more in the 9 to 10k range.. this is simply a little better than a tenant turn over.

    But the point you make about here is one take it or leave it.. this is done on purpose its to create urgency in the buyer... the other thread with Tyler it worked perfectly.. he wanted one prop Morris group did the take away.. next one came up he bough it in one hour without looking at it..

    Its nice to have dream merchants out there all the guru's do it this group is no different.

    and as Joel Owens stated its simply not possible to buy in the cheapest worst neighborhoods of any US city and have zero problems with tenants.. But those investing in these will soon learn this for themselves... I personally owned over 350 C class throughout the mid west... Morris says he owns 50 or so ... So I personally have 7X the experience and its real world experience any portfolio with a certain amount of homes will have a vacancy factor in C and D that runs about 10% usually.. so on any givin month we were turning over 10 to 35 homes.. a property owner with 50 is going to be turning over 2 to 5... so say like one of Morris investor buddies who got on here that he never has a bad tenant that's just not real.

    @Gunther S. your correct if you have no real way to scale up quickly then 40k SFR's you will find to be a pretty poor investment.. If your like Sam above and live there work there and can do it yourself and get to 10 units very quickly then it can work... I have clients that live it and breath it and make it work but its any thing but passive in that asset class... Just understand what your getting into.

    Chris Clothier makes some great points... 600 or 650 gross rents is simply not enough gross cash flow to properly maintain a home over the long haul.. one needs to be 800 plus. And in a Major metro area 600 tenant is the bottom of the barrel and comes with the most challenges.

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