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Stephen M.

Residential Real Estate Agent
Moreno Valley, CA
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www.popefinancialcenter.com

I just got a broker phone call from thse people. The girl on the phone was real vague. I gave them my criteris but she seemed lost.

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flipper101

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Never heard of them. They do have a web site as you know and seem to be a legit business of some kind.

Most likely brokers and in my experience in the best of all worlds, trading assets is a MAJOR task when one is directly involved with an asset seller and asset buyer, having already established a professional business relationship.

A cold call from a firm not directly holding assets, from someone who seems " vague" to another party not directly buying assets is a can of worms at best.

Assets trade ( buy and sell ) by and between established institutional parties, major Hedge and Private equity funds etc. These folks already know one another.

It's a small world in the industry and these professionals also attend distressed asset, default servicing symposiums and are well represented.

There is also a bunch of legal compliance issues to these trades and a lot of the DISTRESSED seller entities are regulated by the SEC, FDIC etc.

There are so many State and Federal level investigations by so many different entities at this point and the scene is so messed up, that I would be reluctant to be involved unless I were an actual buyer or seller's employee or legal team. I was working for a " Legal Team" on Wall Street and there are/were complicated snags there as well. I bailed!

Stephen M.

Residential Real Estate Agent
Moreno Valley, CA
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What a nightmare. I am getting emails telling me what a jerk I am and how I obviously know nothing about Bulk REO and I must have never closed a deal in my life. I am attaching their " product list" . It has over 350b in assets on it. Yeah, likly story. You guys are going to love this.

James, it seems a can of worms is an understatment.

Joshua D.

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Denver, Colorado
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Stephen - Why are you getting emails? For posting the TIF? Anyone here on the site?

flipper101

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I am attaching their " product list" . It has over 350B in assets on it. Yeah, likly story. You guys are going to love this.

Well, analysts estimate a total of 400 BILLION in TOTAL sub prime, ALT-A, option ARM (related) losses through 2010.

Of this 400 BILLION , only a fraction would be actual REO properties and of that fraction another small fraction would EVER be BULK sales.

So, without even reading the attachment, which I will, I can tell you your dealing with CLOWNS who are BOGUS!!

Right now one could purchase a handful of Wall Street investment banks with half of 400B-LOL

You could always send that list to the SEC if the sender is a legal entity and identifiable in relation to the list. It's FRAUDULENT advertising of
securities backed assets. 350 Billion! My GOD!

Stephen M.

Residential Real Estate Agent
Moreno Valley, CA
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Hey Josh

It started with phone calls and I was stupid enough to give them my email so I could send them a list of requirements. I would guess any ones email ending with @popefinancialcenter.com would be a good place to start.

Paul Pope and Sandra Rosetti are my contacts.

flipper101

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I would guess any ones email ending with @popefinancialcenter.com would be a good place to start.

What are you referring to by the above statement?

Josh was asking if posting the Tiff here, prompted rude e-mails from Bigger Pockets members. I don't think thats the case because you referred to the rude e-mails in the same post with the Tiff.

It started with phone calls and I was stupid enough to give them my email so I could send them a list of requirements.

I assume by (them) you mean Pope Financial? They appear to be typical Mortgage Brokers, most probably desperate and going BROKE! BROKE BROKER!

What and who's requirements? Are YOU in the market for multi millions in assets? I would guess your trying to broker some deals and from your comments learning quickly that it's not pleasant?

I always find it interesting that the same fools that helped to create the sub prime mess, are the same fools who are " trying" to broker the now very distressed assets. Most of these folks made VERY good living for quite a while. There best skills in many cases are deception and copy and pasting documents etc. ANYTHING for a buck in the good times and ANYTHING for a buck in the bad times, but WORSE!

Stephen M.

Residential Real Estate Agent
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I was half paying attention here. No not from the tif. For telling this guy in my personal email that he was full of it. I am not sure if anything came directly from bigger pockets. I think it is the only place my phone # is posted though.

As far as the market for Millions, No. I have some regular clients that buy invesments and have the money to do so on what I would consider a large scale. 10, 20, maybe 50m.

At this point it seems unrealistic like chasing a white unicorn. I am really interested in this market for the sake of being a spectator It seems much smater to buy one at a time cash in a mass production.I have resorted to looking into NPN's on a smaller scale and we will see how those turn out.

If you pay attention here, you learn at a very fast pace. Much like you James. From your first post till now it's like night and day. They say you are only as smart as your 10 closest friends but here you're exposed to so much more than normal. I can't believe how fast I have been able to pick things up here.

So no need to boot anyone. I don't think anyone from here has been an issue. Those people don't tend to last long eithor.

flipper101

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Cool..

And YES in my opinion the savvy investor can put together deals one at a time in volume and not end up with total junk!

The majority of REO " portfolio's are not the primo properties to say the least.
There were also a lot of " issues" to include title clearing when I was involved with the Law Firm.

Christopher L.

Real Estate Consultant
Little Town, Oklahoma
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Originally posted by "Licwidsand"
What a nightmare. I am getting emails telling me what a jerk I am and how I obviously know nothing about Bulk REO and I must have never closed a deal in my life. I am attaching their " product list" . It has over 350b in assets on it. ....

Anyone that believes that list is accurate or viable needs to have their meds increased. As usual, most that try their hands at this side of the market just want to believe in the falsehoods of Billions in available product at 20's and 30's

It's not real people!

flipper101

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San Ramon, California
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It's not real people!

Correct!

AND they're NOT REAL people! -LOL

Stephen M.

Residential Real Estate Agent
Moreno Valley, CA
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I was threatened to be sued this morning. It was great. Chris brought up a good point. I, in no way signed a ncnd and am prevy to no broken laws. I also have a .tif from some idiot claining to be selling all this product that has absolutly no proof of his source. I love california. People think they can sue even if there are no laws in place to protect them.

flipper101

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So, your saying that these folks are if not Bigger Pockets members, they most likely were trolling and found you here, contacted you AND later saw the Tiff you posted after their initial rude calls and e-mails?

Stephen M.

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Moreno Valley, CA
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bingo!

flipper101

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www.popefinancialcenter.com

[size=18]Anyone else get e-mailed or called by these guys?[/size]

flipper101

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I was threatened to be sued this morning. It was great. Chris brought up a good point. I, in no way signed a ncnd and am prevy to no broken laws. I also have a .tif from some idiot claining to be selling all this product that has absolutly no proof of his source. I love california. People think they can sue even if there are no laws in place to protect them.

Yes, but there are laws against BOGUS advertising and I can say 1000000% for sure that list is WAY BOGUS!

Christopher L.

Real Estate Consultant
Little Town, Oklahoma
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My day started with a 26 Billion dollar request and I only need 260 Million to get the docs to review...

Not only that but the broker claims that this is from a " private seller"

How do people get suckered into this or believe that there's a private seller with 26 BILLION in REO of all things

Of course the usual standards are applicable

33 and a 3% commission......which of course is over 750 MILLION DOLLARS!

I feel so lucky to be blessed enough to receive these legitimate requests

Richard W.

Real Estate Investor
Las Vegas, NV
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Originally posted by "Oklahoma1"

I feel so lucky to be blessed enough to receive these legitimate requests

Wow, some people have all the luck! I bet your cousin is a Nigerian Oil Minister who embezzled $20 million in funds that you are going to help him to get them out of the country.

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Jeff T.

Real Estate Investor
Fort Myers, FL
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recently got an email from a guy who claimed to have moved 700 Billion in paper. These guys went from assigning contracts on houses at market value with zillow saying there was equity to this

we got another email, one was from a " mandate" checking refererences on an MTN buyer (This is a former protegee gone bad)

then guy in the computer next to me, gets and email from the former protegee wanting to know if he could sell MTN's to his clients, all within about 10 minutes

99 percent of the people are trying to become instant millionaires for doing nothing. This game is about risk and projection of trends on distressed assets.

A very risky game, for those who play it

we have a much traveled deal here in SWFL, 72 houses. I got about 15 emails from 15 differnet " mandates"
well that package traded hands
the new owner is now going from a return on the investment to the RETURN of the investment
guess that what happens when a rank and file REALTOR tries to expand into new games.

I was thinking of writing an ebook about the law of attraction and Bulk Reo and NPN sales, it would be a hit!
How to attract a 700 billion buyer on internet chatrooms will be the title!

Christopher L.

Real Estate Consultant
Little Town, Oklahoma
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I was experimenting with my book titles too

Mandates: Assorted nuts for RE humor

LOI and POF: Lessons in futility

One Fish Two Fish Three Trillion

My favorite

LOI, POF, MTN, CMO, CDO.....WTF?