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Travis B.Property Manager |
To Coin, or to Not to Coin. That is the Question I am new to being a Landlord. I took Over a 7 unit building. All One bedroom units with no washer or dryer hookup. In the back of the building there is room to put a small laundry Room and a vending Machine or two. After talking to some of my renters I found out they going to the local Laundry Mat Pay $3.75 a load and $0.25 To dry. For me to do this I will have to get another water heater do some plumbing ect. 6/7 units are currently rented with about 9 people living in the building. So my question to the experts is...... To Coin, or to Not to Coin. That is the Question |
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Jason F.Real Estate InvestorGainesville, FL |
Without getting too much into the numbers....I would say definitely coin. Think about each person doing at least 2 loads a week. That's 18 loads of laundry a week at about $4 a pop. So that's $72 a week or $288/mo. It seems that if you are not having to add additional buildings it makes the decision pretty easy. And that isn't considering the benefits to the quality of life of the residents. It might help your vacancy rate in the long run when people are comparing alternative buildings or deciding to move to a new place.
document the income though on your taxes, it will help your NOI for your resale. |
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Northshore B.Property ManagerHonolulu, HI |
Find your local coin-op provider, and see if they will offer you a fix-up bonus in return for a five or ten year 50/50 or better split. Some will offer a straight monthly lease and let you pull the coins. You just need to watch your operating costs with elec rates rising, but, as example, I have one property with 8 units that pulls in nearly $400 per month @ just $1.75 per. This offsets the entire common area electric costs for the property, with a little left over. SOMEBODY is going to bet paid for laundry service, it might as well be you! Just read the contract! |
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Jeff T.Real Estate ConsultantMA |
You may want to consider another alternative. I bought decent washers/dryers for $750 and put them in secured spaces, then rented access to each unit at $20-$25/month. Even with utilities, on a multi-unit building, I'll pay for the washer/dryer in about 2.5 years and expect them to last much longer. In addition, I'm getting the depreciation benefit which is small, but not insignificant. I'm in the minority on this one and old-timers insist that I will lose money, but I'm pretty good with numbers and over the past 2 years, it's worked without a hitch. Tenants like not having to bring a big roll of quarters or deal with a coin card. Plus, I find they aren't using pantyhose or other techniques to rip off my coin laundry. Doing it this way, I get appliances paid for and the project cash flows every month. |
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Jason F.Real Estate InvestorGainesville, FL |
how do you prevent neighbors from 'doing each other's laundry'. or splitting the $20 and 'opening the door' to the laundry room for one of their neighbors. i like the concept though. i would see how it would work if you just upped the rent across the board and rented it as a benefit. |
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Jeff T.Real Estate ConsultantMA |
To be frank, I've been lucky so far; all the tenants bought in. In the event that they don't, I suppose I could separate them with different locks/keys. Fraud could be a problem in the future, but I don't think it will be moreso than people cheating coin laundry...guess we'll see! |
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Jeff T.Real Estate ConsultantMA |
Or I suppose you could buy one of those fake CCTV cameras and put it up in the laundry room for $39 to appear like the room is being monitored...would feel pretty " watched" cheating the laundry. |
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Christian M.Real Estate InvestorHarrisburg, PA Moderator |
There are also companies that will provide the equipment, maintenance, and labor (empty the coins) for no charge. In fact, they pay you. You may want to look into this in your area. |
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Travis B.Property Manager |
All Great ideas. The upfront cost to is going to be around 8-10k Due to some plumbing etc water heater and 2 washers and dryers and a vending mech. to make change soda and etc. I really do like the Idea about give them key to the door and pay a flat fee. However this could cause issues because I have a building to the right and left of me that rents out and I am guessing they don’t have a laundry room. On the Plus side I could open it up to them and make more money. Then again this does risk the chance of some one f#$%# my stuff. Maybe I put a few dummy cameras in there to make them think twice? With coin I can make it $1.75 per wash and dry = $3.50 Each unit avg 3 loads a week = $73.50 week just from my building as a ruff guess. The question is should I allow the other building to was there as well? Pro's is more income, cons is more risk and takes wash time away from my renters? thoughts??? |
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Tony M.Property ManagerIllinois |
I survey the local laundromats about once a year to see what they charge. Some landlords say they should charge more for the convenience. Others say they should charge less to be more attractive. I personally charge the same as the competition. For me that is $1.50 per wash and $1.50 per dry. The newer coin-drop machines prevent fraud as opposed to the scams on the old sliders. Unless someone knows something I don't! If so, let me know. The key to the laundry room idea seems like it would be easy for 1 resident to share a key with everyone. Heck, I've found them sharing cable tv & Internet! They love to find ways to take from "the man". I lease from Coinmach. I pay monthly rent of $50 per set (washer/dryer) and keep all the money. I wouldn't trust anyone else to collect and give me a portion. I'd have no way of knowing how much they are really collecting. Each month, I collect about $250 / building (6 units each building), therefore keep $200 / month before utilities. I rent high efficiency machines to reduce utility costs. If I did the 50/50 split, and they were honest, I would only get $125/month. Good Luck,
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Brandon S.Residential Real Estate Agent |
I've got the same sort of situation as the poster, a 6 unit apartment with no W/D hookups in the units except for one. We have looked at putting W/Ds in each unit, which will run me around $5k, and get about $15-25/mo extra in income, but then there's expense involved for each unit. We also looked at building a small laundry center on, which would run something like $4,000 including coin-op washers and dryers. The coin-ops have definately come out ahead of giving people keys, becuase there's a good chance they'll do laundry for relatives, this way I have the chance of getting people OUTSIDE my complex to do their laundry (There's no laundry mat in town) so there's a definate possibility. Sears I found sells the coin-op washers and dryers, about $650/each which isn't bad at all. |
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MikeOHReal Estate InvestorOhio, Ohio |
With coin I can make it $1.75 per wash and dry = $3.50 Each unit avg 3 loads a week = $73.50 week just from my building as a ruff guess. Of course, that's gross, not net and you need to subtract all the operating expenses, such as electric, water, maintenance of the room, security (and I'm not talking fake cameras), damage done by angry tenants, lease payment or debt, management (collecting the coins), capital expenses, etc. I would suggest talking to one of the reps at a company that sells the coin operated machines. They can tell you how many tenants are needed to justify the cost of the machine and provide all the other information pertinent to installing coin operated machines. Mike |
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Eric W.Real Estate InvestorSan Jose, CA |
I provide coin laundry to attract tenants. It provides convenience to the tenants. It beats going to the laundry mat. If you do have problems with your coin machine, it does cost a lot to fix them. I found out quickly, there isn't a lot of people in the washer and dryer fixing business. |
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Justin H.BankerWest Seneca, New York |
If you have the means to empty the coins yourself, or your property manager will take care of it, then buy coined laundry units USED. I see them all the time on ebay. There is an up front cost, but you don't split the coins with anyone else. |
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